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SELKE Finalist

Créé par: Capitalfail67
Équipe: 2019-20 Équipe personnalisée
Date de création initiale: 19 nov. 2019
Publié: 19 nov. 2019
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Been talking to 2 guys ( I assume they are the same person) but they said these guys are SELKE contenders.

Guys arguing are
KOPIINO And
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19 nov. 2019 à 11 h 52
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Asinine levels of mad right here.
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19 nov. 2019 à 11 h 52
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And what kind of stupid reasons did he give you?
19 nov. 2019 à 11 h 53
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And what kind of stupid reasons did he give you?


They are good at defense. Literally this

Please look at this feed.

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/284809&post_id=1155669

Also the guy above is part of this.
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19 nov. 2019 à 12 h 1
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Quoting: Capitalfail67
They are good at defense. Literally this

Please look at this feed.

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/284809&post_id=1155669

Also the guy above is part of this.


Laughable
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19 nov. 2019 à 12 h 6
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Analytics are good
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Elite defensive players winning an award for being the best defensive player. Am I missing something here?
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19 nov. 2019 à 12 h 8
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ZAR has been fantastic this year, him Kahun and McCann have all been great
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19 nov. 2019 à 12 h 11
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Quoting: AFOX10900
ZAR has been fantastic this year, him Kahun and McCann have all been great


Not disagreeing that he plays well defensively but would you say he’s a SELKE finalist? I mean Boyd Stephenson Dowd all play well defensively also but I’m not glorifying them
19 nov. 2019 à 12 h 12
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Quoting: JayBeagleFanAccount
Elite defensive players winning an award for being the best defensive player. Am I missing something here?


Yeah he’s not Elite? He’s good he’s not elite. You are missing that.
19 nov. 2019 à 12 h 12
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Laughable


Haha yup
19 nov. 2019 à 12 h 13
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Analytics are good
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Yeah he’s not Elite? He’s very good he’s not elite. You are missing that.


ZAR has the lowest xGA among all forwards with 225 minutes played so far this season. If the best defensive player in the NHL isnt considered elite idk what would be
19 nov. 2019 à 12 h 14
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Looks like you got Rick tRolle'd. awesome face
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19 nov. 2019 à 12 h 14
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Capitalfail right now:



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19 nov. 2019 à 12 h 16
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Quoting: JayBeagleFanAccount
ZAR has the lowest xGA among all forwards with 225 minutes played so far this season. If the best defensive player in the NHL isnt considered elite idk what would be


Since when is xGA the deciding factor in a player winning the Selke or not?
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19 nov. 2019 à 12 h 17
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Quoting: F50marco
Since when is xGA the deciding factor in a player winning the Selke or not?


xGA is defense? Do you know how stats work?
19 nov. 2019 à 12 h 19
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xGA is defense? Do you know how stats work?


And does everyone value this stat the way you do?
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19 nov. 2019 à 12 h 21
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Bro these are the guys who base EVERYTHING off analytics. they said last year Marcus Foligno should’ve won the selke. I love Analytics but use them with common sense. Just cause ZAR xGA/60 is better than Bergeron’s doesn’t mean he’s a better defensive player lmao
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19 nov. 2019 à 12 h 25
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Quoting: mhockey91
Bro these are the guys who base EVERYTHING off analytics. they said last year Marcus Foligno should’ve won the selke. I love Analytics but use them with common sense. Just cause ZAR xGA/60 is better than Bergeron’s doesn’t mean he’s a better defensive player lmao


Look at this thread https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/284809&post_id=1155768

It’s like a mafia of people who throw common sense out the window and only focus on xGA haha. Like yeah let’s draft ZAR over Stone.
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19 nov. 2019 à 12 h 30
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Quoting: Capitalfail67
Look at this thread https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/284809&post_id=1155768

It’s like a mafia of people who throw common sense out the window and only focus on xGA haha. Like yeah let’s draft ZAR over Stone.



I was in it earlier on page 1 and then I just gave up. They were trying to say Nylander is the best on the leafs and Nate Walker is better than HOF’ers Kopitar and Doughty. Or Hjalmerson the best on the Yotes, savard best on the Jackets, etc...
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19 nov. 2019 à 12 h 35
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I was in it earlier on page 1 and then I just gave up. They were trying to say Nylander is the best on the leafs and Nate Walker is better than HOF’ers Kopitar and Doughty. Or Hjalmerson the best on the Yotes, savard best on the Jackets, etc...


Yeah it’s insane. Let’s focus on xGA not not focus on

Zone start zone finish ratio
Toi ( a guy said this doesn’t matter)
Qualcomp
Corsi (if you don’t read too much into it)
Block shots
Turnover ratio
Hits
Points
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19 nov. 2019 à 12 h 42
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Quoting: mhockey91
Bro these are the guys who base EVERYTHING off analytics. they said last year Marcus Foligno should’ve won the selke. I love Analytics but use them with common sense. Just cause ZAR xGA/60 is better than Bergeron’s doesn’t mean he’s a better defensive player lmao


Just because he has better one ice defensive stats doesnt mean hes better youre right
19 nov. 2019 à 12 h 54
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Just because he has better one ice defensive stats doesnt mean hes better youre right


Haha oh yeah. Man the nhl is really overlooking this guy. Penguins shouldn’t have him buried on the 4 th with this elite level talent.
19 nov. 2019 à 13 h 30
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Yeah it’s insane. Let’s focus on xGA not not focus on

Zone start zone finish ratio
Toi ( a guy said this doesn’t matter)
Qualcomp
Corsi (if you don’t read too much into it)
Block shots
Turnover ratio
Hits
Points


Zone starts aren't that important, like 85% of starts or smth start on the fly
TOI doesn't matter, I would like someone explain to me how it does
Corsi is ok
Qualcomp can be skewed easily, plus i feel like skill of teammates tends to cancel that out
BKS can be used, but are rarely used
Turnover ratio is skewed by position, defensemen tend to have way more turnovers etc
Hits are bad, Hits mean you don't have the puck, and most of the time you hit, it's to chase the opponent and gets you out of position
and i completely fail to see how points measures defensive ability lol
19 nov. 2019 à 13 h 31
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Haha oh yeah. Man the nhl is really overlooking this guy. Penguins shouldn’t have him buried on the 4 th with this elite level talent.


He played a good bit with Malkin last year, and this year has been on a fantastic third line...
19 nov. 2019 à 13 h 32
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19 nov. 2019 à 13 h 47
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Quoting: AFOX10900
Zone starts aren't that important, like 85% of starts or smth start on the fly
TOI doesn't matter, I would like someone explain to me how it does
Corsi is ok
Qualcomp can be skewed easily, plus i feel like skill of teammates tends to cancel that out
BKS can be used, but are rarely used
Turnover ratio is skewed by position, defensemen tend to have way more turnovers etc
Hits are bad, Hits mean you don't have the puck, and most of the time you hit, it's to chase the opponent and gets you out of position
and i completely fail to see how points measures defensive ability lol


I was saying what factors into selke.... that’s when points would come into play. You can easily say most defensive stats are skewed by teammates besides TA/GA. “You don’t have the puck” isn’t the what defense is? Defending players when you don’t have the puck? I was simply pointing out other stats that are important so we don’t only look at xGA and use that as the GOD defense metric
 
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