pastrnak and marchand would not be on those contracts if they had the years that matthews and marner did before signing.

That’s your opinion. Harsh reality is that they aren’t greedy and they want to win.

If Kerfoot wasn't hurt, I'd also like to see Matthews, Tavares and Nylander together for stretches against the perfection line. I just don't know that running Spezza, Gauthier and Shore down center ice would be able to get the job done.

Now that is entirely opinion. Harsh reality they all want to win. You don't get to the NHL if you don't want to win.

No I disagree. Chicago win because Kane and Toews carried the team and they had the right support players. They could have won even if you swapped out a lot of pieces. They just had such a solid core. They made a tonne of mistakes of overpaying depth that ultimately cost them a lot of issues over the years.

Yeah, that's some pretty suspect centre depth. But that doesn't mean that he shouldn't load up a line a various points in a game, especially when we're chasing the game late. I really don't get why he doesn't get more creative with how he roles the door. It's almost like he finds it too complex to manage, so he doesn't do it. His bench management skills have been critiqued lots, and given the amount of too many men penalties we get, its maybe why he doesn't experiment much. I don't know. I'm reaching here..

I can tell they really care about winning. They just clearly want to be rich more. No need to become triggered

harsh reality is that they wouldn't be on those contracts if they were above ppg players before they signed.

Both Matthews and Marner weren’t career ppg players before signing their deals? Ppg gets you 11m now? I honestly don’t want to argue how dumb this is. So I’ll just say agree to disagree.

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Boston guys? I don’t believe they had a hold out or any drama. Boston players want to win and understand you can’t win with players making 11 million. Especially 3 making 11 million. That’s just stupid and it takes away from other teammates. Also prevents you from signing better players.

matthews and marner contracts were signed with the intention of them remaining ppg players.

both boston guys signed in september right before training camp, which is what marner did.

also, i don't quite understand why you're incredibly anal about toronto giving their top guys too much money. people always criticize leafs fans for being too harsh on the players, yet here you are repremending toronto fans for not trying to chase their top scoring players out of the city because the coach has lost the room.

I’m not anal about it. I’m simply saying that they are overpaid. It’s true they are overpaid. You are allowed to say it. Doesn’t mean they are bad or it’s not insulting. They make too much money. Nobody was chasing them out of town. That’s a very dramatic take on this. They are RFA the gm has all the leverage. They weren’t going to sit out. They could have signed them to a 2-3 year bridge deal for a reasonable money they gave out this deal after the new TV deal was done. Boston signed those guys assuming they peaked and wouldn’t improve? Honestly leafs signed them and both players probably won’t ever do better than Marner did last season. Again that my opinion. Again I’m not wasting anymore time on this but the coach lost the locker room or do the player refuse to play his system that has won a cup and hold medals? Honestly idfc I’m not a fan but I would be upset as a leafs fan that we sunk 30+ million on 3 guys knowing that they got every cent they could and didn’t give the team a dollar for anyone else. Marner and Matthews are great but their greed will end up costing this team when they need to sign complementary talent. Also Anderson and Reilly

Not triggered just stating facts. Agents tell their players to ask for certain prices. They let them handle that and they go out and play. Saying they want to be rich more than winning is entirely your own opinion. You do not know these players and seeing how they played in the playoffs they want to win as bad as anyone else. That is a visible fact, wanting to win and knowing how to win may be different.

Fair enough