I'd personally give up like a third or smth, and I also wouldn't give up Bokk for him 1 for 1, but ik EDM is asking for WAY more

Send you Perlini and _______ for him. What else would you want from CHI? Kookoo and take back one of you bad contracts?

Its hard to get a read on him. Personally Id offer Perlini, Sikura and a 5th round pick for him.

It depends of how EDM sees themselves. Do they want NHL level forwards or prospects and a pick (Cant imagine they want D-man or Goalie).

Edm says how bout Jake bean for JP and Caleb Jones ? Hmmm

People over value JP.

Here are the leading scorers in Liga.

https://www.eliteprospects.com/league/liiga/stats/2019-2020

Now you look at that list and ask yourself. Is anyone running to sign these guys or willing to trade the moon for them?
He's out there looking ok, but nothing world breaking against clearly non NHL level competition.
He didn't do all of much at the NHL level.

You might as well rush out and sign Eemeli Suomi or John Persson.

His value is not that high. Mid round pick range. Bottom 6 forward level.

we dont say that, Jones is too valuable.

Good analysis. I think Holland wants to rebuild the team in the most painless way possible by giving 1-year tryouts to bottom 6 forwards and giving the team the chance to grow organically. The word on the street is that he wants a prospect for JP and a pick. My sense is that he wants to have a group of good prospects to replace the next wave of reinforcements, i.e. Tyler Benson, Kailer Yamamoto, Cooper Marody, and Joseph Gambardella, who are ready or almost ready to make the jump. Bokk would seem to fit that description, but not sure.

Well for starters, the top 2 scorers are 36 and 27 years old. So no, nobody should be calling about those 2. The third guy who is tied for 2nd, is 23 but didn't enjoy the same pre-draft success Puljujarvi so maybe he's a bit of an unknown. He's almost 24, playing in a league where nobody seems to respect the NHLe numbers so that should give you a reason why not to trade anything for him (he is drafted by FLA in 3rd round though) and him and Puljujarvi play on the same line. 4th guy on the list is 22, tied with Puljujarvi in points and was a 2nd round pick. So he's still considered a prospect right?

Puljujarvi is the youngest of the bunch, had pre-draft success (that's why he was highly touted and will have perceived value), and is basically tied for 2nd in that whole league for points. YOUNGEST = has value. He's producing at that league at that young age. Only real clear guy above him is a 36 year old. His numbers show that it is equivalent for 40 pts in the NHL which is around what some 2nd liners in the NHL get.

And lastly, before you say not NHL level competition to try and discredit Puljujarvi's success, why are ALL NHL teams drafting players in that league and letting them develop there? Maybe NHL teams do respect that league enough because they allow their own players to develop there. Only because Puljujarvi was a former 4th overall pick that this is a story.

Did Dal Colle get any heat for not playing in the NHL right away? What about Shane Bowers? Cale Makar and Bowen Byram? Nobody talks about them because they are not ready and their organizations sent them back, something the Oilers should've done. Tyler Benson was drafted in the 2nd round by Edmonton older that Puljujarvi, you don't hear a single word about him because he's being developed properly.
All those players have value, so does Puljujarvi.

Jarri Kurri was older than Puljujarvi is now when he came over to the NHL from Europe. He worked out okay.

yeah JP is sure killing it playing with the 36 year olds and playes who are all like 5'8.

Honestly dude. I don't know where you get this.
You seem to have really missed the whole point.

And for the record. Eemeli Suomi is 23 and unsigned and John Persson is 27 and unsigned.

You can talk about JP being "younger" as some imaginary reason as to why someone should give up the moon for him. But you clearly fail to realize he's never done anything worth anything at the NHL level and his play in a very minor league against 35+ year olds and smaller non NHL level competition doesn't really scream of, sign me for the moon.
As I said, you might as well rush out to sign Eemeli Suomi, who too is a young forward racking up goals in Liga. There isn't much difference at this point. If anything you will be more likely to end up with a difference maker, We have all seen what JP has done.
He's worth a mid round pick. Get over it. He was a bust. Someone is going to be in every draft. It was him.

You're labelling him as a bust too quick. Going back to 2014, Dal Colle and Milano are just starting their careers, anyone calling them busts? 2015 - Strome was a bust until he wasn't right? Zacha? Guryanov just starting this season? 2016 - Juolevi hasn't even played a game yet, Alex Nylander just starting his career, Tyson Jost, Logan Brown, Dante Fabbro all starting their careers just now. Most guys in his draft class are just starting their careers now and have the luxury of not being labelled a bust because they were given ample time to develop. He's getting it now, good for him.

It takes one good season as Strome proved for someone to turn their career around. Even when Strome was a "bust", him and Perlini ended up getting Schmaltz.

no, lets get this straight. The biggest reason for a player to "not be ready" is their size and strength level. They come in weighing 170lbs and they need to physically develop.
JP came in at 6'4 200+lbs.
He also got a prime spot on McDavids wing, which he could not hold. That's one of the easiest spots in the whole world of hockey to be able to produce any kind of offense, because someone is always going to be open as they 2 on 1 McDavid, and he couldn't capitalize on it or even look like he remotely fit in.
Then there is the fact that he became a cancer with his attitude. Which is why he's sitting in Liga right now refusing to put on an EDM jersey.
But you go tell me how anyone in the world should give up an arm and a leg for a player like that!

At some point you might get the fact that he had everything going for him. And he simply did not capitalize on any of it. Now you have a 21 year old player who has been playing size for several seasons, with an attitude problem and poor performance. And you seem to have a hard time dealing with it. Just because you picked him 4OA does not mean he's worth a 4OA return.
The league does not wait forever for wingers to develop. They are typically getting till they are somewhere between 21-23 and that's it. Their value plummets.
Which is why you look around the league and the value of guys like Sprong, Donato, Kyrou are all tanking compared to what they would once have returned on a trade.
It doesn't mean they can't eventually develop into a player when they are 24 or 25 years old. But that doesn't mean they will hold the value they use to have before they had their shots at the NHL.

JP is no different than anyone of them. He's been given a fair shot at the NHL level. Instead he blamed everyone but himself, under performed, and became a pain in the ass for management.

But clearly that screams insane return.

JP barely got time with McDavid just for the facts, and the underlying numbers did show that he was one of the most productive with McDavid during those times. Another thing is just because you play with McDavid doesn't mean you'll produce. If it were that easy, Lucic who was gifted so many minutes with McDavid would've been more productive. You seem to forget that playing with McDavid means you go against the other team's best defensive players. It takes a certain type of skill set to play with McDavid, it's not "anybody could produce".

I guess the whole point is Edmonton should hold onto Puljujarvi. He's playing well right now and the better he plays, the better it is for his development as a player or as a better return if he was traded. Holland isn't going to trade him for a mid-round pick like you suggested.

for the record lets make this clear.
Crosby carried no nothing players on his back on the ice and made them look like good players basically his whole career. And you are saying you need to be a "special" type of player to play with McDavid?
Here is what I think. If you couldn't perform with McDavid as your center, you must really suck as hockey. Thank you for using Lucic as an example. It really drives the point home.
Fact is if he was even a decent player he would have stuck there and produced. He didn't. FFS even Sheary was able to stick on Crosby's wing and look good!

Taylor Hall? Ample playing time with McDavid, couldn't produce with him. Yes, Taylor Hall "must really suck at hockey".

Do you watch Oilers games? Or do you just make assumptions like "anybody can play with McDavid because he's that good"?

McDavid entered in 15-16.
That year Hall went 82 games 26 goals 39 Assists for 65 points.
Are we going with he didn't perform?
Lets be honest, McDavid was a rookie too.
Was the only season they played together.

So that's a failed argument.

lmaooo you're really looking at point totals only. Based from your answer, it looks like you don't watch Oiler games. Hall got most of his points playing with Draisaitl after the Oilers stopped playing him McDavid because he wasn't producing.

Don't see how that's a failed argument, all it shows is you base your opinions from totals and not show any context. You saw 65 points and immediately think it was all with McDavid. If anything you just killed your own argument.

Maybe actually watch the games next time.

I'm not sure how you get this great window of Hall and McDavid. McDavid was there 40 some games his rookie year. Was a complete rookie and you some how think this is on Hall?
Who had a good year.

But hey, you keep on with that. This is the same organization who pounds their head into the wall for trading Hall, but you know, he "didn't fit in" if that's what you want to go with.