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Sandin sent down

Date de création initiale: oct 14, 2019
Publié: Oct 14, 2019 at 10:34 am
Équipe: 2019-20 Maple Leafs de Toronto
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Makes absolutely no sense. He's been one of their best defensemen, I don't care about the 9 game limit. If you want to win you keep him up
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14 oct 2019 à 10 h 36
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GM Hockeysaurus Rex
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Actually with Leafs being team that would be cap team for next 5-6 years at minimum, it makes sense to prolong your young guys' ELC as much as you can and this is doing this.
14 oct 2019 à 10 h 39
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they'r saving a year on his elc which they need with all the cap issuses... playing more minutes, 3rd line with the leafs or top line with marlies.... as well as he gets to develop more, getting more out of him throughout his career.... yep leafs made the right call
14 oct 2019 à 10 h 43
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Quoting: SammyT_51
Actually with Leafs being team that would be cap team for next 5-6 years at minimum, it makes sense to prolong your young guys' ELC as much as you can and this is doing this.


Quoting: HockeyFan989
they'r saving a year on his elc which they need with all the cap issuses... playing more minutes, 3rd line with the leafs or top line with marlies.... as well as he gets to develop more, getting more out of him throughout his career.... yep leafs made the right call


When you're trying to win a cup you don't take that into account. The leafs have Muzzin and Barrie expiring after this year and they're going to lose at least 1 of them, they need to have their best players playing. Why worsen your chance at a cup over 30k in cap space? Unless there is a trade in the works than there will be no winning. No team is winning anything with Marincin as a regular
14 oct 2019 à 10 h 46
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Quoting: TheresAlwaysNextYear
When you're trying to win a cup you don't take that into account. The leafs have Muzzin and Barrie expiring after this year and they're going to lose at least 1 of them, they need to have their best players playing. Why worsen your chance at a cup over 30k in cap space? Unless there is a trade in the works than there will be no winning. No team is winning anything with Marincin as a regular


If you think of it that way, they can just call him up just before the playoffs, not burning a year of his ELC.
14 oct 2019 à 10 h 47
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Quoting: EthanK24
If you think of it that way, they can just call him up just before the playoffs, not burning a year of his ELC.


You gotta make it first
14 oct 2019 à 10 h 48
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Wondering if this is more an expansion draft move????

The money certainly matters long term, but I cannot help but think this is an asset management thing.

Given how well the organization has developed its talent over the last few years, we can question it but can we doubt the decision making?
14 oct 2019 à 10 h 49
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Quoting: TheresAlwaysNextYear
You gotta make it first


I’m just saying, if you do see Sandin as better than Marincin, I don’t think that’s going to be the difference of the Leafs making the playoffs. So if they call him up just before the playoffs then you have your best possible team when it matters.
14 oct 2019 à 10 h 50
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Quoting: swinny
Wondering if this is more an expansion draft move????

The money certainly matters long term, but I cannot help but think this is an asset management thing.

Given how well the organization has developed its talent over the last few years, we can question it but can we doubt the decision making?


He’s expansion eligible, nothing the Leafs can do to change that.
14 oct 2019 à 10 h 52
#9
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Quoting: TheresAlwaysNextYear
When you're trying to win a cup you don't take that into account. The leafs have Muzzin and Barrie expiring after this year and they're going to lose at least 1 of them, they need to have their best players playing. Why worsen your chance at a cup over 30k in cap space? Unless there is a trade in the works than there will be no winning. No team is winning anything with Marincin as a regular


Leafs are not contenders first and foremost. They are close but not there yet. TBH they are likely on cusp. Marincin is not gonna be a regular, Gravel is and he was good in preseason. Leafs are thinking about both current status and future which is refreshing to see in the league where you either tank or throw everything at winning the thing.
14 oct 2019 à 10 h 56
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Quoting: SammyT_51
Leafs are not contenders first and foremost. They are close but not there yet. TBH they are likely on cusp. Marincin is not gonna be a regular, Gravel is and he was good in preseason. Leafs are thinking about both current status and future which is refreshing to see in the league where you either tank or throw everything at winning the thing.


If they're not contenders why haven't Jake Muzzin and Tyson Barrie been extended or traded yet? It seems pointless to lose these guys for nothing if the team isn't a contender yet?
14 oct 2019 à 11 h 01
#11
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Quoting: TheresAlwaysNextYear
If they're not contenders why haven't Jake Muzzin and Tyson Barrie been extended or traded yet? It seems pointless to lose these guys for nothing if the team isn't a contender yet?


You dont have to be contender to have great team. This is basically you saying that team can either be contender or tank, nothing between. They will get into discussions about their respective extension, but they want to get feel for them and how they will be playing as longterm Leafs. its game 6. Chill.
14 oct 2019 à 11 h 19
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Quoting: EthanK24
He’s expansion eligible, nothing the Leafs can do to change that.


No. He is currently exempt....... if he plays a full year that can change. But as of this moment...... exempt.
14 oct 2019 à 11 h 20
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Quoting: SammyT_51
Actually with Leafs being team that would be cap team for next 5-6 years at minimum, it makes sense to prolong your young guys' ELC as much as you can and this is doing this.


This.....most of fan base here dont understand the times when not carrying for bucks are over.....premium contracts have been handed out, its moneyballing Era in TML from this year on....

Bad enough Mikheyev will be gone next year cause 2M+ for him will be unaffordable either second Pair will need to be Marincin - Holl......
14 oct 2019 à 11 h 21
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Quoting: Laudan
This.....most of fan base here dont understand the times when not carrying for bucks are over.....premium contracts have been handed out, its moneyballing Era in TML from this year on....

Bad enough Mikheyev will be gone next year cause 2M+ for him will be unaffordable either second Pair will need to be Marincin - Holl......


They can re-sign Mikheyev easily.
14 oct 2019 à 11 h 22
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Quoting: SammyT_51
They can re-sign Mikheyev easily.


Ofc they can...even at 7 x 6M....but as i said, second Pair will be Marincin - Holl after that......
14 oct 2019 à 11 h 23
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Quoting: Laudan
Ofc they do...even at 7 x 6M....but as i said, second Pair will be Marincin - Holl after that......


LOL
14 oct 2019 à 11 h 31
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Quoting: swinny
No. He is currently exempt....... if he plays a full year that can change. But as of this moment...... exempt.


Don’t know why CapFriendly lists him as exempt, but Sandin needs to play 3 pro seasons to become eligible. Since he played with the Marlies last year, that’s season #1. He’ll either play in the NHL or AHL this year, which is season #2. And next year is season #3. So since he played in the AHL last year, he’s eligible no matter what.
14 oct 2019 à 11 h 34
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Quoting: EthanK24
Don’t know why CapFriendly lists him as exempt, but Sandin needs to play 3 pro seasons to become eligible. Since he played with the Marlies last year, that’s season #1. He’ll either play in the NHL or AHL this year, which is season #2. And next year is season #3. So since he played in the AHL last year, he’s eligible no matter what.


Not eligible "yet" lol. Waiting out the 3 years? Who knows.......
14 oct 2019 à 12 h 11
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Quoting: swinny
Not eligible "yet" lol. Waiting out the 3 years? Who knows.......


IDK, because Cale Fleury, who is in almost the exact situation, is listed as eligible already.
14 oct 2019 à 12 h 28
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Quoting: SammyT_51
Actually with Leafs being team that would be cap team for next 5-6 years at minimum, it makes sense to prolong your young guys' ELC as much as you can and this is doing this.


I begrudgingly accept this logic. The whole, let him play more minutes against inferior competition is a weak argument but this makes sense.
14 oct 2019 à 12 h 29
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Quoting: TheresAlwaysNextYear
When you're trying to win a cup you don't take that into account. The leafs have Muzzin and Barrie expiring after this year and they're going to lose at least 1 of them, they need to have their best players playing. Why worsen your chance at a cup over 30k in cap space? Unless there is a trade in the works than there will be no winning. No team is winning anything with Marincin as a regular


He won't be though. Holl has taken his spot and once Dermott comes back Marincin is out of the lineup.
14 oct 2019 à 12 h 30
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Quoting: swinny
Wondering if this is more an expansion draft move????

The money certainly matters long term, but I cannot help but think this is an asset management thing.

Given how well the organization has developed its talent over the last few years, we can question it but can we doubt the decision making?


All first and 2nd year NHL players are exempt. Both Sandin and Liljegren will be exempt no matter how much they play.
14 oct 2019 à 12 h 30
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Quoting: EthanK24
He’s expansion eligible, nothing the Leafs can do to change that.


Who is?
14 oct 2019 à 12 h 35
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Quoting: LoganOllivier
He won't be though. Holl has taken his spot and once Dermott comes back Marincin is out of the lineup.


What about that #6 spot? It looked like that wan Sandin's spot but now he's in the minors
14 oct 2019 à 13 h 31
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Quoting: LoganOllivier
All first and 2nd year NHL players are exempt. Both Sandin and Liljegren will be exempt no matter how much they play.


First and second year Pro players are exempt. Sandin & Liljigren are both eligible.
 
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