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Swedish speaking middle six

Créé par: Eli
Équipe: 2019-20 Blue Jackets de Columbus
Date de création initiale: 30 sept. 2019
Publié: 30 sept. 2019
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Bjorkstrand and Bemstrom are the top right wings of this team's future. Center is all question marks after Dubois. Eller plays a terrific two-way game. His minutes have been mostly defensive in Washington, but he scored four points in five games in the 2018 Final, including the winning goal.

Anderson is better than Eller, but the Blue Jackets are better off with Eller at center and cost certainty so they can bridge Dubois, now, while Point is still a valid comparable, before the cap goes up.
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    30 sept. 2019 à 16 h 38
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    You know that of those middle 6 players, only Nyquist, Bemstrom, and Wennberg are from Sweden, right? Eller and Bjorkstrand are Danish and Baertschi is Swiss, so not really much of a swedish speaking middle 6, as you put it
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    30 sept. 2019 à 16 h 50
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    Or we don’t do this and maybe pick up a Goalie off waivers instead like a DeSmith and try running 3 for a bit until one of them proves they really don’t belong in the NHL.
    30 sept. 2019 à 17 h 0
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    Quoting: rootferdukes
    You know that of those middle 6 players, only Nyquist, Bemstrom, and Wennberg are from Sweden, right? Eller and Bjorkstrand are Danish and Baertschi is Swiss, so not really much of a swedish speaking middle 6, as you put it


    To be fair Swedish and Danish languages are quite similar. Not 100%, but they maybe can understand each other.
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    30 sept. 2019 à 17 h 23
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    No chance they trade Anderson for a 3rd liner and an ok prospect, they just lost a ton up-front and wont be downgrading unless a big piece is coming back
    30 sept. 2019 à 17 h 24
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    Modifié 30 sept. 2019 à 17 h 32
    Quoting: rootferdukes
    You know that of those middle 6 players, only Nyquist, Bemstrom, and Wennberg are from Sweden, right? Eller and Bjorkstrand are Danish and Baertschi is Swiss, so not really much of a swedish speaking middle 6, as you put it


    Thanks.

    Lars Eller says he speaks Swedish, but I wouldn't know how to check him on it: https://www.nhl.com/news/washington-forward-lars-eller-really-energized/c-282289876
    Edit: I do know how to prove he speaks Swedish: Burakovsky and Hagelin each got more points playing with him than with Dowd, who doesn't speak Swedish. Or maybe that just means he's good at hockey. Oh well. Either way. CBJ needs a proven middle six center, and Lars Eller would help out.


    Bjorsktrand we're both wrong. I googled and while his family name is Swedish, his dad was an American who had a job coaching hockey in Denmark where he was born and learned the language. So at least he can talk to Eller. Washington doesn't have cap space to claim him, though.

    On Baertschi, I was confused, but if he's Swiss-French he might have an edge playing with Tex and PLD. The other half of the country speaks more German, which really wouldn't help you, but either way he'll have some common culture with Elvis, so they could both feel good about that. Or bad. Or neutral. I googled and he's given interviews to German language newspapers (https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/sven-baertschi-concussion-canucks) but maybe he speaks both? Who knows. Jarmo will have to call his agent and ask.
    30 sept. 2019 à 17 h 27
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    Modifié 30 sept. 2019 à 17 h 35
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    No chance they trade Anderson for a 3rd liner and an ok prospect, they just lost a ton up-front and wont be downgrading unless a big piece is coming back


    My take is that they just lost three big UFAs for nothing and don't want to make it four. Better to start adding long term pieces like Nyquist, Eller, Texier, Bemstrom, Fix-Wolansky, and yes, Johansen, a decent offensive defenseman who can play either side, than to hoard what they've got, miss the playoffs anyway due to goaltending, and wait until next July to figure out they can't sign both Anderson and Dubois. When that happens, they have to pick Dubois. It isn't close. Feel free to add what you want and fix the deal, but don't be unrealistic about going all in this year and winning the Cup with Anderson and Merzlikins. Does it need a late 1st? Clear the board and build something around Anderson and Korpisalo for Holtby?
    30 sept. 2019 à 17 h 27
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    Or we don’t do this and maybe pick up a Goalie off waivers instead like a DeSmith and try running 3 for a bit until one of them proves they really don’t belong in the NHL.


    Yes. Especially if those three are DeSmith, Korpisalo, and Forsberg.
    30 sept. 2019 à 17 h 29
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    Quoting: Eli
    My take is that they just lost three big UFAs for nothing and don't want to make it four. Better to start adding long term pieces like Nyquist, Eller, Texier, Bemstrom, Fix-Wolansky, and yes, Johansen than to hoard what they've got, miss the playoffs anyway due to goaltending, and wait until next July to figure out they can't sign both Anderson and Dubois. When that happens, they have to pick Dubois. It isn't close. So please just add what you want and fix the deal, but don't be unrealistic about going all in this year on winning with Anderson and Merzlikins.


    Theres no reason why they wouldnt be able to sign PLD and Anderson and idk how you just mentioned Eller as a long term piece after not considering Anderson...
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    30 sept. 2019 à 17 h 37
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    Theres no reason why they wouldnt be able to sign PLD and Anderson and idk how you just mentioned Eller as a long term piece after not considering Anderson...


    They have no other big, expiring contracts and less than 10M of cap space. Those guys long term could make 8 and 6M each. If the Caps trade for Anderson, it means they're letting Holtby walk, for sure. Tough call for either side. Buyouts only open up so much space, and they leave teams paying for years. If you don't like Eller, what kind of player should Anderson bring back?
    30 sept. 2019 à 17 h 43
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    Så rolig att du är jävla dumt jävla med ingen hjärna!
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    30 sept. 2019 à 17 h 45
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    Så rolig att du är jävla dumt jävla med ingen hjärna!


    Lol. But try being me. Or don't. Mind control is exhausting.
    30 sept. 2019 à 17 h 46
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    Lucas Johansen is of no value to the Jackets; the last thing in the world we need is a TENTH defenseman. Trying to have him as the bonus add-in for a downgrade of a player we have no interest whatsoever in trading in the first place is an unbelievably egregious ripoff.

    This is absolute trash and you should be deeply ashamed for having ever even conceived of posting it.
    30 sept. 2019 à 17 h 49
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    Lol. But try being me. Or don't. Mind control is exhausting.


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    30 sept. 2019 à 18 h 7
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    Modifié 30 sept. 2019 à 18 h 23
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    Lucas Johansen is of no value to the Jackets; the last thing in the world we need is a TENTH defenseman. Trying to have him as the bonus add-in for a downgrade of a player we have no interest whatsoever in trading in the first place is an unbelievably egregious ripoff.

    This is absolute trash and you should be deeply ashamed for having ever even conceived of posting it.



    By points/game, no defenseman 24 or younger in Cleveland did as well as Johansen last year.

    Cleveland last year: http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0076532019.html

    Johansen: http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=169246

    He's got another year of waiver exemption, after which CBJ can trade Murray for thoughts and prayers, and bring him up as a #4-5, with top pair potential. But okay.

    But if you'd rather have a late first pick or something, I mean, just say that. I wouldn't.

    edit: Clendening and Simpson are better right now. But that's normal. They're 26 and at their peak, they are barely NHLers. Johansen is 21 and should still be improving quickly. Scouting reports online say he's better at defense than offense, but his offense is enough to make him the Jackets' best AHL offensive defenseman under 25 this year. In a couple years, he's gonna be a decent NHLer. Who told you he isn't a good prospect? They should be ashamed. I'm not.
    30 sept. 2019 à 19 h 25
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    They have no other big, expiring contracts and less than 10M of cap space. Those guys long term could make 8 and 6M each. If the Caps trade for Anderson, it means they're letting Holtby walk, for sure. Tough call for either side. Buyouts only open up so much space, and they leave teams paying for years. If you don't like Eller, what kind of player should Anderson bring back?


    theyre going to have like 20+ in cap, not sure where your numbers are coming from...
    30 sept. 2019 à 19 h 26
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    Modifié 30 sept. 2019 à 19 h 38
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    theyre going to have like 20+ in cap, not sure where your numbers are coming from...


    Scroll up.

    No expring contracts. I have no basis to put Riley Nash on LTIR. He's out for right now, in preseason without an announcement. Add him back in and take away Eller and Dubois and you've got 9.6M. That's less than 20. Kukan and the goalies are expiring, sure, but replacing all three at current league minimum of 700k opens up a total of 700k. That brings the whole total up around 10.3k.

    Do you:

    A. pay a 1st to move a year of Dubinsky and sign Anderson, who might not have a top six spot depending how well Atkinson, Bjorkstrand, and Bemstrom play?

    or

    B. Keep that 1st pick and get back a player and a 1st (upcoming or recent) for Anderson?

    Either option is fine. But it's not just Eller and Johansen for Andersen. It's Eller and Johansen and Columbus gets to keep its 1st pick and open up a spot at RW where two of their best prospects play.
    30 sept. 2019 à 19 h 39
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    Scroll up.


    just make a blue jackets 2020 post without stupid trades and look. They loose Tyutin's buyout penalty and without adding Eller and Baertschi, theyll have 20+ however much the cap raises by. They also have the option of buying out Dubinsky which is another way to free up a bunch of cap
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    30 sept. 2019 à 19 h 52
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    just make a blue jackets 2020 post without your brilliant trades and look. They loose Tyutin's buyout penalty and without adding Eller and Baertschi, theyll have 20+ however much the cap raises by. They also have the option of buying out Dubinsky which is another way to free up a bunch of cap, if they want to have cap problems again the next summer when Texier, Foligno, Bjorkstrand, Murray, and Savard are up.


    Thanks. That makes sense. And thank you for the compliment! Hope you don't mind my edits. smile
    30 sept. 2019 à 23 h 58
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    Modifié 1 oct. 2019 à 0 h 7
    Quoting: Eli
    By points/game, no defenseman 24 or younger in Cleveland did as well as Johansen last year.

    Cleveland last year: http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0076532019.html

    Johansen: http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=169246

    He's got another year of waiver exemption, after which CBJ can trade Murray for thoughts and prayers, and bring him up as a #4-5, with top pair potential. But okay.

    But if you'd rather have a late first pick or something, I mean, just say that. I wouldn't.

    edit: Clendening and Simpson are better right now. But that's normal. They're 26 and at their peak, they are barely NHLers. Johansen is 21 and should still be improving quickly. Scouting reports online say he's better at defense than offense, but his offense is enough to make him the Jackets' best AHL offensive defenseman under 25 this year. In a couple years, he's gonna be a decent NHLer. Who told you he isn't a good prospect? They should be ashamed. I'm not.

    Blah blah blah noise noise. Here is the list of blueliners Johansen would be behind on our depth chart:
    * Jones
    * Werenski
    * Murray
    * Savard
    * Nutivaara
    * Kukan
    * Gavrikov
    * Harrington
    * Peeke

    You're babbling about how he can be better than guys like Clendening when Clendening is already ten names deep on an organization-wide depth chart on which every player is below (in some cases WELL below) the age of 30. We don't have room for the guys we already have, let alone for Lucas. Would he make the Monsters better? Sure. But there's no way come hell or high water we trade a core player like Josh ****ing Anderson just to make our farm team a little nicer-looking. Especially since Peeke is probably going to take over the blueline there anyways, now that he's out of college.

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    Quoting: Eli
    A. pay a 1st to move a year of Dubinsky and sign Anderson, who might not have a top six spot depending how well Atkinson, Bjorkstrand, and Bemstrom play?

    or

    B. Keep that 1st pick and get back a player and a 1st (upcoming or recent) for Anderson?

    Either option is fine. But it's not just Eller and Johansen for Andersen. It's Eller and Johansen and Columbus gets to keep its 1st pick and open up a spot at RW where two of their best prospects play.

    https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/black-or-white

    I'd take option C: buy out Dubinsky's last year, and to hell with worrying about top-6 spots for Anderson and the rest and just roll three or even four lines like literally every currently successful team in the NHL does. And if it gets too expensive and we can't move one of those guys to LW, we trade them for an asset we actually need and could use, rather than a tenth defenseman and a massively overpaid center that we get perennially shoved down our throats on the flimsy pretense of "your GM scouted him once therefore WUV".
    (And there's a certain irony in insisting that we have to trade a RW because of hypothetical future depth issues at the position, and then pretending that a prospect D is a fair return for same in spite of actual current depth issues at that position. Did I say irony? I meant "gross naked hypocrisy".)
    1 oct. 2019 à 0 h 30
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    Quoting: BurgerBoss
    To be fair Swedish and Danish languages are quite similar. Not 100%, but they maybe can understand each other.


    You can talk to each other in your native language. It does take a bit of getting used to because of pronunciation differences.(85% of words in either languages exists in the other) Danes and Swedes though has a VERY high proficiency in English. Frankly speaking most Danes and Swedes switch to English these days when talking to each other. Norwegian, Danish and Swedish is very easy to read regardless of where you are from out of those 3 countries.
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    1 oct. 2019 à 11 h 26
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    Quoting: DanishLeafsfan
    You can talk to each other in your native language. It does take a bit of getting used to because of pronunciation differences.(85% of words in either languages exists in the other) Danes and Swedes though has a VERY high proficiency in English. Frankly speaking most Danes and Swedes switch to English these days when talking to each other. Norwegian, Danish and Swedish is very easy to read regardless of where you are from out of those 3 countries.


    Thanks. I just didn't look things up. Went by memory on stuff I never knew. Clearly I have a lot to learn about Europe, and hockey.
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