Kuzy savings should be $205K given $7.8M divided by days of the season x 5 actual days (3 games over 5 days). But you're pretty darned right about Djoos and Stephenson.

I was assuming 4 days since the Caps schedule is @STL 10/2, @NYI 10/4, and VS. CAR on 10/5, so from the 2nd to the 5th making 4 days the suspension length, but hell if it's 5 days that's even better

But the Caps will not go through the season with a 22 man cap roster. IR still counts against the cap, so if anyone in injured for less than 10 games/24 days both them and their replacement count. last year the Caps averaged 23.2 on the roster, the year before 22.9, 15-16 was 23.2, etc etc etc. And the Caps have been quite lucky in the injury department (compared to other teams). 22 works on paper, and on Playstation, but not in the NHL.

Would rather they waived Copley and brought Vanecek up. That fixes everything.

Hope Djoos isn't claimed. He's great and had a great pre-season, better than Siegs.

I believe even GMBM said something like not having 23 for some of the season to be cap compliant. So I don't know if you're completely right here.

Where are you getting those average roster size figures?

For the start of the season, with no IR, 22 is fine. For tomorrow that is fine. But then reality hits you. The counting against the cap roster numbers that I posted there are fact, not opinion or wishes. Compared to other teams the Caps have have considerably less "non-LTIR injury games missed", thereby keeping their cap roster number lower than average. Meaning that they have been lucky in the injury area and have still been at basically 23 against the cap each year.

What reality is this exactly?

I did the maths.

[url]https://www.capfriendly.com/archive[/url]

Non-LTIR injuries, illness, etc. NHL reality.

People getting hurt in warm-ups, or getting the green-apples, etc so you need to have extra players/healthy scratch types in the building, on the cap roster.

Reality.

This only matters on long road trips and you get super unlucky. On home stands, hell you can have 20 on the roster and be fine.

On long road trips, having 22 is riskier than having 23, but if all goes well, 3 of those guys are still not touching the ice.

Besides Russian Machines never break, and we have a lot of Russian Machines.

OK then, what maths did you do? I'm legitimately curious as what I calculated from the same source doesn't seem to square with what you've got

If you are carrying 20 (18F/D+2G) and someone takes a puck to the eye in warm-ups you are now skating 17 F/D which is not good, and not the way a professional team would be run. Again, fine on paper and Playstation, but not in the NHL.

Plus, that 20 on the roster is a playing/health roster. If you have 2 guys hurt, but not on LTIR, you are at 22 against the cap. And as I just demonstrated above, 20 does not work in reality. Non-paper reality or non-Playstation reality. This reality. 616.

Except you can call someone up and he can be in DC in 1.5 hours. That's the difference. Maybe that can't work for all teams, but the Caps are close to their farm team.

I know you are super sure you're right, but even the GM of the Caps isn't really saying the same thing you're saying.

Team sum (NHL days+IR day) / NHL days (whichever season you are looking at, it varies)

LTIR, SOIR, and suspension do not count.

Again, this is a professional outfit, not paper, not Playstation. Warmups are 20 minutes before the game. You would have to call someone, actually get them, they get their stuff together, get in a car and drive, get to the arena and dressed... and get 2 or 3 shifts at the end of the 3rd. Plus, that only works if Hershey is home as well. Not having a road game, not traveling.

I am super sure that I am right because I have factual numbers to support it. i don't have an "opinion" on the matter and then tried to come up with things to support the opinion. I looked at the numbers and stated the facts.

SO GMBM is just lying then?

According to Gulitti, MacLellan did not rule out starting the season with a 21-man roster. In that aggressive scenario, the Capitals would be down two players and have only one player as a reserve to get under the cap. It would force the Caps to be without depth during a busy first week of the season which sees the team start on the road against the reigning Stanley Cup champions before playing back-to-back games days later.

This is the actual quote from Russian Machine Never Breaks. It doesn't match up with what you're claiming. He's saying he's considering exactly what you say is impossible and only "on paper".

Ah, I was only considering average active roster size, i.e. just the days in the NHL column. Cap hit still counts on IR, but a roster spot opens up for a replacement, so using just NHL days to determine roster size shows you which teams called up replacements or extras after the deadline and which ones just subbed in their scratches to deal with injuries. Plus if you were to use NHL + IR to figure VGK's average roster size from 2018, you get an absurdly high number because Stoner, Grabovski, and Clarkson all were on normal IR that season, even though they were never active at any time that season.

Going by just NHL days, Caps had 22.39, 21.98, 22.63, and 23.01 average active NHL players on their rosters in 15-16, 16-17, 17-18, and 18-19, respectively.

You're not even listening.

"For the start of the season, with no IR, 22 is fine. For tomorrow that is fine. But then reality hits you."

I didn't see the specific quote but if he said 22 then he is stretching the truth, if he said 20 he is wrong.

No I read the whole thing. Sounds like you're unwilling to admit maybe you're going a little too far with your notion that it's impossible.

It says 21 actually. And we'll be on the road. The quote is pretty clear. I've not claimed anything as far as roster, you are. I'm objecting by a quote from a reporter on what GMBM actually said, not some maths I did myself and then assumed what GMBM is or isn't willing to do. You're doing that.

NHL days is healthy, (including healthy scratch type players), count against the cam and the 23-roster limit.

IR days counts against the cap, but not against the 23-roster limit. That is why you can have over 23 against the cap, but still be below 23 limit on the playing roster. Your numbers are (might be, I didn't do that math) the playing roster, not what counts against the cap.

LTIR, SOIR, and suspension do not count against the cap nor the 23-roster limit.

Vegas and Arizona grabbed a few LTIR type players but put them on normal IR so that their cap hits would count but they didn't count against the 23-limit. Hossa would be another example of that.

No. I am right. Maybe he is just not as professional as he should be and is willing to roll the dice. Or maybe he is just giving writers lip service to appease the fans. The numbers I showed are facts, not opinion, not claims. If you want to ignore facts and go with something someone said instead... knock yourself out.

I don't think that it is the first time that a GM was telling tails or even just flat out wrong.

Haha man, the arrogance of you.

They are facts. Hard numbers. No opinion. No claims. There are no other numbers to associate to this. No evaluation of value. It's not arrogance, it's stating facts. Your unwillingness to to accept hard numbers, facts, does not reflect on me.