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Marner For Doughty

Créé par: TMLBRIAN
Équipe: 2019-20 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 1 sept. 2019
Publié: 1 sept. 2019
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
LA is rebuilding and get much younger. They get a dynamic winger. Leafs get their top pair D man, who is older. By the time LA is good again, Doughty will be past his prime.
Transactions
TOR
  1. Doughty, Drew (2 000 000 $ retained)
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (LAK)
LAK
  1. Marner, Mitchell [Droits de RFA]
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Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
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1 sept. 2019 à 20 h 38
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I don’t like this trade for either team... but I like it a lot less for the Kings. Retaining 2m for 8 yrs????
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1 sept. 2019 à 20 h 44
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Doughty is getting older and that salary at 11 million is alot.
1 sept. 2019 à 20 h 47
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Doughty showed some serious regression in his game last year. Leafs would lose that trade IMO. Fair trade would have to be for a younger D entering his prime (Dumba)
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1 sept. 2019 à 21 h 0
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Quoting: Jamiepo
I don’t like this trade for either team... but I like it a lot less for the Kings. Retaining 2m for 8 yrs????


Leafs did something similar with kessel right? Doesn’t seem to be that big of an issue especially with cap going up
1 sept. 2019 à 21 h 30
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Leafs did something similar with kessel right? Doesn’t seem to be that big of an issue especially with cap going up


The kessel trade is the perfect example of why they should NOT eat that kind of salary long term. If Toronto had an extra 1.2mil of wiggle room, they'd probably have Marner signed by now.
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1 sept. 2019 à 21 h 34
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A couple of months ago I made a Drew for Mitch ACGM. And got the same negative reaction that Drew is already in decline. Ironic though was if Drew hit the UFA, Dubas would have desired him as hard as he did J.T.
1 sept. 2019 à 21 h 38
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Quoting: Claesson4Norris
The kessel trade is the perfect example of why they should NOT eat that kind of salary long term. If Toronto had an extra 1.2mil of wiggle room, they'd probably have Marner signed by now.


Or still have kessel and not kap or Anderson....that trade also helped them get Matthews..... it was a literal win win for both teams. And they would have money for marner if they didn’t overpay Matthews nylander and Tavares (he was a ufa so understandable)
1 sept. 2019 à 21 h 38
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All the leafs fans hating on the doughty contract must hate the tavares contract
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1 sept. 2019 à 21 h 45
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
All the leafs fans hating on the doughty contract must hate the tavares contract


Why is that? He is 2 years younger and signed for 2 less years. That 4 years at the end of a contract is rough...
1 sept. 2019 à 21 h 47
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Quoting: Capitalfail67
Leafs did something similar with kessel right? Doesn’t seem to be that big of an issue especially with cap going up


1.2m x 7yrs sucks... 2m x 8yrs would be even worse. Especially to sign a kid that would want 12m+ on an 8 year deal. Essentially paying marner 14m+...
1 sept. 2019 à 21 h 50
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1.2m x 7yrs sucks... 2m x 8yrs would be even worse. Especially to sign a kid that would want 12m+ on an 8 year deal. Essentially paying marner 14m+...


Let’s say marner signs for 10.5m. That’s not bad for a franchise player

I was simply saying that if the are dumping a massive amount of cap 2m isn’t that bad
1 sept. 2019 à 21 h 54
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Quoting: Capitalfail67
Let’s say marner signs for 10.5m. That’s not bad for a franchise player

I was simply saying that if the are dumping a massive amount of cap 2m isn’t that bad


In the long run it may be. But try convincing any kings fan that the last 3-4 years of that contract will look like crap.
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1 sept. 2019 à 22 h 0
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doughty is fine living on the beach and not having work past mid April. he doesn't waive his mmc.
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1 sept. 2019 à 22 h 3
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Or still have kessel and not kap or Anderson....that trade also helped them get Matthews..... it was a literal win win for both teams. And they would have money for marner if they didn’t overpay Matthews nylander and Tavares (he was a ufa so understandable)


Trading Kessel was the right move, but that was a pretty weak return for a player of his caliber. Ignoring the Freddy Andersen part, because it's a separate trade and it would have been done regardless of where they traded Phil, the Leafs got a a bottom pair LD who isn't even a Leaf anymore, an NHL wash out playing in Europe and A solid middle six winger. And they ate salary and gave up a 2nd. Not exactly a home run.
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1 sept. 2019 à 22 h 5
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Leafs did something similar with kessel right? Doesn’t seem to be that big of an issue especially with cap going up


Which sucks. Huge mistake. We are lacking in 1.2 million in cap space for years. That sucks.
1 sept. 2019 à 22 h 6
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Quoting: Claesson4Norris
Trading Kessel was the right move, but that was a pretty weak return for a player of his caliber. Ignoring the Freddy Andersen part, because it's a separate trade and it would have been done regardless of where they traded Phil, the Leafs got a a bottom pair LD who isn't even a Leaf anymore, an NHL wash out playing in Europe and A solid middle six winger. And they ate salary and gave up a 2nd. Not exactly a home run.


They used the 1st to get Anderson? Can’t really ignore that imo. Kap was the best prospect the penguins had at the time. Basically got 2 1st round picks and a average prospect. That’s a pretty large return for a guy that was basically run out of town
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Which sucks. Huge mistake. We are lacking in 1.2 million in cap space for years. That sucks.



kessel trade helped and was worth retaining 1.2 million bc they got kap and Anderson....that trade also helped them get Matthews..... it was a literal win win for both teams. And they would have money for marner if they didn’t overpay Matthews nylander and Tavares (he was a ufa so understandable)
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1 sept. 2019 à 22 h 9
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In the long run it may be. But try convincing any kings fan that the last 3-4 years of that contract will look like crap.


I’m honestly baffled that teams like the hawks and kings fans are trying to force a rebuild or complain about the contracts they currently have. They combined for 5 cups in 6 years. Any team would take that trade off. I mean what would you give up for a leafs cup?

Caps finally won a cup I’m good for a little while. I mean if they win again great but I’m not mad we signed Oshie or Wilson ect they made history in dc and I’m grateful that we have them
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1 sept. 2019 à 22 h 14
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Why is that? He is 2 years younger and signed for 2 less years. That 4 years at the end of a contract is rough...


Hes 10 months younger and plays a much more demanding position
1 sept. 2019 à 23 h 12
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
Hes 10 months younger and plays a much more demanding position




My bad on the age added an extra year. I am not worried about a 34 year old Tavares... 37 year old doughty, with the physical game he plays I have my doubts. Tavares will most likely decline in the last year of his contract... doughty will decline in the last 4 years of his contract.

You make it sound like they expire at identical ages.
1 sept. 2019 à 23 h 18
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Good lord that would be awful for the Leafs
2 sept. 2019 à 5 h 52
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Quoting: Capitalfail67
kessel trade helped and was worth retaining 1.2 million bc they got kap and Anderson....that trade also helped them get Matthews..... it was a literal win win for both teams. And they would have money for marner if they didn’t overpay Matthews nylander and Tavares (he was a ufa so understandable)


The value was still crap on that trade.

Anyway in regards to retention the story at the time was if Kunitz waived and agreed to come there would be no retention. But he wouldn't and instead they traded Toronto spaling with a lower cap hit and Toronto had to retain to compensate.
2 sept. 2019 à 5 h 53
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Quoting: draft_em_sign_em_trade_em
A couple of months ago I made a Drew for Mitch ACGM. And got the same negative reaction that Drew is already in decline. Ironic though was if Drew hit the UFA, Dubas would have desired him as hard as he did J.T.


Because a UFA doesn't have the acquisition cost of Mitch marner.
2 sept. 2019 à 5 h 54
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
All the leafs fans hating on the doughty contract must hate the tavares contract


There is a difference between hating on and recognizing it's implications for trade value.
2 sept. 2019 à 5 h 57
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Quoting: Capitalfail67
They used the 1st to get Anderson? Can’t really ignore that imo. Kap was the best prospect the penguins had at the time. Basically got 2 1st round picks and a average prospect. That’s a pretty large return for a guy that was basically run out of town


That running him our of town was the mistake.

Kessel was always hated for what he wasn't (an individual who can carry a franchise by himself), instead of loved for what he was (a top 15 scorer in the NHL).

He always need a Toews to his Kane in Toronto and didn't have it
 
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