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This is for those that want to get rid of Sergachev

Créé par: Zwui21
Date de création initiale: aoû 26, 2019
Publié: 26 aoû 2019 à 19 h 15
Équipe: 2019-20 Lightning de Tampa Bay
Explications
Little stat I found:
Over the past two years Sergachev has averaged 1.28 points per 60 minutes of 5-on-5 play, a number that places him 10th among ALL defenders in the NHL, and tops among all defenders on the Lightning (yes, even ahead of Hedman and McDonagh).

Even more impressive is that he has averaged 0.60 primary assists per 60 minutes, a mark that has trailed only the San Jose Sharks Norris duo of Erik Karlsson and Brent Burns.

...and he is twenty fooken one years old.

He can improve defensively (and he will, he's already improved a lot this season), but he really could become a great great offensive Dman if given the right space.
This season will probably be his true breakout year. Sit back, relax and enjoy!
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UFA - 1
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Cernak, Erik
697 500 $
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26 aoû 2019 à 19 h 18
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Trade him to the sabres, him and Dahlin can chill together...
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26 aoû 2019 à 19 h 35
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Should have never traded for mcdonagh
26 aoû 2019 à 19 h 38
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Quoting: Ragsandbluesfan
Should have never traded for mcdonagh


McDonagh has been one of the main reasons why Tampa's defense has improved so much.
Hedman, McDonagh and Sergachev can all coexist in the top 4, mostly because Sergachev likes to play on the right (and he's more effective there) and Hedman-Sergachev can be a really good top pair
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26 aoû 2019 à 19 h 39
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Quoting: Zwui21
McDonagh has been one of the main reasons why Tampa's defense has improved so much.
Hedman, McDonagh and Sergachev can all coexist in the top 4, mostly because Sergachev likes to play on the right (and he's more effective there) and Hedman-Sergachev can be a really good top pair


Id be fine with that but then what happens when foote becomes good and mcdonagh still has about 3-4 years left at 6.75 on the 3rd pair
26 aoû 2019 à 19 h 45
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Quoting: Ragsandbluesfan
Id be fine with that but then what happens when foote becomes good and mcdonagh still has about 3-4 years left at 6.75 on the 3rd pair


When McDonagh will start declining he'll be relegated in a more "defense only" approach.
And we'll have:
Hedman-Cernak
Sergachev-Foote
McDonagh- ...

Based on my calculations, McDonagh will be a bad contract from year 5 to 7. Manageable
26 aoû 2019 à 19 h 50
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Quoting: Zwui21
When McDonagh will start declining he'll be relegated in a more "defense only" approach.
And we'll have:
Hedman-Cernak
Sergachev-Foote
McDonagh- ...

Based on my calculations, McDonagh will be a bad contract from year 5 to 7. Manageable


But even if its not a bad deal by then, It just doesnt sound good to have a 3rd pair D make 6.75 mil
26 aoû 2019 à 19 h 55
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Quoting: Ragsandbluesfan
But even if its not a bad deal by then, It just doesnt sound good to have a 3rd pair D make 6.75 mil


We are talking four years from now. Many things can change by then. We'll start worrying about it in 3 years, where God knows what will be the needs of the market, the cost of trading a bad contract and the will of McDonagh to waive his NTC.

And hey, what do you know, maybe we expose him at the expansion draft and pay a sweetener for Seattle to take him? Time will tell
26 aoû 2019 à 19 h 57
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Quoting: Zwui21
We are talking four years from now. Many things can change by then. We'll start worrying about it in 3 years, where God knows what will be the needs of the market, the cost of trading a bad contract and the will of McDonagh to waive his NTC.

And hey, what do you know, maybe we expose him at the expansion draft and pay a sweetener for Seattle to take him? Time will tell


Its pretty much a forgone conclusion that seattle is taking tyler johnson since hes from spokane
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26 aoû 2019 à 22 h 16
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Stupid analysis on Sergachev.. HE PLAYED THiRD PAIR D .. MORE SHELTERED THAN AN ADOPTED SINGLE CHILD .. Defensive nightmare who is another wussy in playoffs. . Great ..
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26 aoû 2019 à 22 h 20
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Who adds what?
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Shhhh. Nobody tell him Sergachev only plays 16 minutes a night, and starts 61.5% of his shifts ahead of the red line, on the best team in the league. smile
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27 aoû 2019 à 7 h 46
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Quoting: Eli
Shhhh. Nobody tell him Sergachev only plays 16 minutes a night, and starts 61.5% of his shifts ahead of the red line, on the best team in the league. smile


Quoting: BOLTLOVER1
Stupid analysis on Sergachev.. HE PLAYED THiRD PAIR D .. MORE SHELTERED THAN AN ADOPTED SINGLE CHILD .. Defensive nightmare who is another wussy in playoffs. . Great ..


Lol I'm baffled when people like you talk as if this guy was an okayish player at best. Does he need to improve defensively? Yes. Does he have flaws to work on? Oui.
But going always into the excuses of "he's sheltered", or "buhuu, he plays on the best team in the league, his stats are inflated" is just stupid. Especially when it's obvious that this guy has a ton of talent.
During the second half of the season Sergachev showed how he really improved his overall game from his rookie year, earning a bump in average ice time from 15:22 to 17:55. Sergachev’s Corsi-for at 5-on-5 was actually the best among Lightning defensemen (54.05 percent). But yeah, it's all because of the team or because of God knows what, mh?

And I have to remind it in every post about him that he's 21 ****ING YEARS OLD! Have you already forgot about Hedman's development @BOLTLOVER1? He was a defensive mess until around his 23rd birthday. You probably would have said the same things about Heddy that you are saying now about Sergachev...
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27 aoû 2019 à 8 h 24
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Quoting: Ragsandbluesfan
Its pretty much a forgone conclusion that seattle is taking tyler johnson since hes from spokane


What we should have learned by now is that there is no foregone conclusions in this business. Everything can change drastically because of one single move.
TyJo could be picked by Seattle, but did you read a source saying that Francis plan on doing so? I certainly didn't because it's all chatter and speculation from the press. It's definitely not a foregone conclusion.
27 aoû 2019 à 8 h 39
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Quoting: Zwui21
Lol I'm baffled when people like you talk as if this guy was an okayish player at best. Does he need to improve defensively? Yes. Does he have flaws to work on? Oui.
But going always into the excuses of "he's sheltered", or "buhuu, he plays on the best team in the league, his stats are inflated" is just stupid. Especially when it's obvious that this guy has a ton of talent.
During the second half of the season Sergachev showed how he really improved his overall game from his rookie year, earning a bump in average ice time from 15:22 to 17:55. Sergachev’s Corsi-for at 5-on-5 was actually the best among Lightning defensemen (54.05 percent). But yeah, it's all because of the team or because of God knows what, mh?

And I have to remind it in every post about him that he's 21 ****ING YEARS OLD! Have you already forgot about Hedman's development @BOLTLOVER1? He was a defensive mess until around his 23rd birthday. You probably would have said the same things about Heddy that you are saying now about Sergachev...


In all your above ramble you leave out the relevant facts .. he was sheltered on 3rd line D and is not physical defender who makes OWN zone brainfarts .. ask yourself this question .. for all his "potential and talent" .. why was he traded? .. and he WOULD be good on PP but we have Hedmen so that wasted .. trade him for mid round first .. should have done last year with Buffalo or Philly although they did try
27 aoû 2019 à 8 h 50
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Quoting: BOLTLOVER1
In all your above ramble you leave out the relevant facts .. he was sheltered on 3rd line D and is not physical defender who makes OWN zone brainfarts .. ask yourself this question .. for all his "potential and talent" .. why was he traded? .. and he WOULD be good on PP but we have Hedmen so that wasted .. trade him for mid round first .. should have done last year with Buffalo although they did try


> Sheltered in 3rd pairing
Okay, then let's give him the top pairing spot this year, then wait and see?

> Not physical Dman
Hedman is not physical either, and it's fine. Serg's more orientated on the puck control and play, not all our Dcore has to be a ****ing troll that only uses the body and has no soft hands

>who makes OWN zones brainfarts
I addressed this. Does he has to imrpve some parts of his game? YES! LIKE EVERY ****ING 21 YO DMAN IN THE LEAGUE! Sometimes I think you are kind of oblivious, it's a well known fact that Dmen take more time than Fs to develop, give him a little time for ****s sake.

>Why was he traded?
Because Bergevin is a buffoon and thought that Drouin would be better than what he's become. Going back to it, you would prefer keeping Droin than getting Sergachev? Are you out of your mind?? lol

>and he WOULD be good on PP but we have Hedmen so that wasted
Hmmmm... PP2 anyone? Our PP2 has been trash last year but because of guys like TyJo, Palat and Gourde, not because of Sergy.

>should have done last year with Buffalo although they did try
Source? They didn't. Yzerman didn't agree to give Sergachev to Ottawa when Karlsson would have been the piece coming to Tampa, do you really think they'd trade Sergachev for a goof and defense monstrosity like Ristolainen?
That's what I don't get. You complain about Serg's defensive issues and you'd be kean to get a guy in Risto that makes 5.4M AAV and is one of the worst Dmen in the league in his own zone and in zone exits? ...
27 aoû 2019 à 12 h 59
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Quoting: Zwui21

Okay, then let's give him the top pairing spot this year, then wait and see?


They had negative synergy with each other last year, and even though every ACGM has Serg in the top pair D, i just think, it's not gonna happen... From 3rd pair to 1st = too big jump = not worth it. But we'll see in 1-2 months, who were right, me vs whole ACGM+ NHL experts. I can imagine though a McDonagh + Serg pairing, cause they had amazing synergy each other. So we'll see... Maybe Hedman+Cernak top pair, idk... but i have a feeling it will be Hedman+Shattenkirk.

Percentage wise i would say right now for top pair D:
Hedman + Cernak 40%
Hedman+Shat 40%
Hedman + Serg 10%
Hedman + all others = 10%


Quoting: Zwui21

and you'd be kean to get a guy in Risto that makes 5.4M AAV and is one of the worst Dmen in the league in his own zone and in zone exits? ...


It was with 2.7 million $ contract for Risto, which Buffalo Sabres declined, that's honestly not that bad for both teams. But for some reason Buffalo GM thinks they are = playoff team, even though if they would make the playoffs, they would lose in early playoff rounds, so not really too much point of trying hard for them 2019/2020... but who understands buffalo in last 10-20 years Huh? Huh?

offtopic:
Anyways, i have a good suggestion for you, don't try to convince BOLTLOVER1 that Serg is a good player, it will never work. I tried already, no chance...
In his eyes: Serg+Stamkos+Gourde+TJ = trash tier players = all "shrimps". Just because they are not 6"5" and not 230lbs+...
Even though we made NHL record last reg season with 60+ wins, he only remembers the last 4 games...

(Next year we will be better in playoffs for sure... CBJ was allin this year... looking back... they had really good players + they really tryharded for their first ever playoff win. our team on the other hand just coasted all year, then we tried same thing in playoffs = huge fail...i will never write down a playoff team ever again... i was just really wanted to win us the cup, even though we had like only 25% to win... so probably better for us that we lost round 1, then lose in the finals vs Blues... cause i remember last year's games vs blues... it was not fun... we were not prepared... it will be different this year... no way we ever underestimate any team next year... Maroon will help a lot hopefully...)

So... he repeats these "shrimps statements" every 2nd day, so in his mind, the more he will repeat the same statements about said players, the more true his "facts" will be...
And ofc he thinks we should trade them all for peanuts, even though they have NTC, so it would be really bad for us...(low return)
He doesn't even read long forum messages. He thinks this site is twitter...



About the TJ to Seattle thing: It's just rumours, nothing more, nothing less. They will take the best player available for them, or we give up other assets so they take other player like TJ + picks, even if they dont want him. Anyone who claims : TJ to Seattle = facts = you can just tears of joy tears of joy , what if we trade TJ before expansion draft?tears of joy tears of joy
 
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