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Not worth 11M trading MitchFlyers

Créé par: JoeForts
Date de création initiale: aoû 23, 2019
Publié: Aug 23, 2019 at 2:07 pm
Équipe: 2019-20 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Explications
I know it would be real hard to trade him unsigned but whatever. Flyer fans, fair trade?
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANNÉESCAP HIT
Konecny, Travis35 500 000 $
UFAANNÉESCAP HIT
Maroon, Patrick12 500 000 $
Transactions
TOR
  1. Konecny, Travis [Droits de RFA]
  2. Myers, Philippe
PHI
  1. Marner, Mitchell [Droits de RFA]
Rachats de contrats
  • Mikhail Grabovski: 0 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Phil Kessel: 1 200 000 $ (15%)
  • Robin Lehner: 1 100 000 $ (22%)
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CBJ
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TOR
CAR
COL
EDM
SJS
STL
WPG
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TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
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TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
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TOR
Johnsson, Andreas
3 400 000 $
AG
UFA - 4
TOR
Matthews, Auston
11 634 000 $
C
UFA - 5
TOR
Nylander, William
6 962 366 $
AD, AG
UFA - 5
Maroon, Patrick
2 500 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
TOR
Tavares, John
11 000 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 6
Konecny, Travis
5 500 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 6
TOR
Moore, Trevor
775 000 $
AD, AG
RFA - 2
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
3 500 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 4
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
3 200 000 $
AD
RFA - 3
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
925 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
TOR
Spezza, Jason
700 000 $
C, AD
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Bracco, Jeremy
842 500 $
AD
RFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
5 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 3
TOR
Ceci, Cody
4 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
5 000 000 $
G
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
4 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
TOR
Barrie, Tyson
2 750 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
TOR
Hutchinson, Michael
700 000 $
G
UFA - 1
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
894 167 $
DG
RFA - 3
PHI
Myers, Philippe
678 889 $
DD
RFA - 1
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TOR
Schmaltz, Jordan
700 000 $
DD
RFA - 1
TOR
Dermott, Travis
863 333 $
DG
RFA - 1
TOR
Horton, Nathan
5 300 000 $
AD
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Petan, Nicolas
775 000 $
AG, AD, C
RFA - 2
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Hyman, Zach
2 250 000 $
AG
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Clarkson, David
5 250 000 $
AD
NMC NTC
UFA - 1

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23 aoû 2019 à 14 h 08
#1
KFTW
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Here comes Sammy and Logan with the not enough for Marner yet they dont want to pay him more than 10. So, which is it?
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23 aoû 2019 à 14 h 13
#2
I just need sauce
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Quoting: csick
Here comes Sammy and Logan with the not enough for Marner yet they dont want to pay him more than 10. So, which is it?


The difference between konekney and Marner is not a top 6 defenseman.
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23 aoû 2019 à 14 h 13
#3
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Quoting: csick
Here comes Sammy and Logan with the not enough for Marner yet they dont want to pay him more than 10. So, which is it?


Or TMLSage claiming he's a generational player and then suggesting he'd sign a 3 year bridge deal for $8m or so because that's exactly what Crosby, Ovechkin, and McDavid did.
23 aoû 2019 à 14 h 14
#4
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Quoting: csick
Here comes Sammy and Logan with the not enough for Marner yet they dont want to pay him more than 10. So, which is it?


Logan is easily the biggest clown on this site
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23 aoû 2019 à 14 h 20
#5
The evil stats guy
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Quoting: linehan10
Logan is easily the biggest clown on this site


I am offended you didn't say I was. frown

Mission failed; We'll get em next time.
23 aoû 2019 à 14 h 20
#6
Bcarlo25
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Quoting: linehan10
Logan is easily the biggest clown on this site


Hard yes.
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23 aoû 2019 à 14 h 25
#7
Démarrer sujet
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Quoting: csick
Here comes Sammy and Logan with the not enough for Marner yet they dont want to pay him more than 10. So, which is it?


He is the most overrated player in the league right now ... there are so many players making between 4-7M that id rather have over him right now.
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23 aoû 2019 à 14 h 27
#8
#DisruptTheNight
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Quoting: SpaghettiPasta
The difference between konekney and Marner is not a top 6 defenseman.


konekney
23 aoû 2019 à 14 h 28
#9
The evil stats guy
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Quoting: JoeForts
He is the most overrated player in the league right now ... there are so many players making between 4-7M that id rather have over him right now.


You're saying that, but how many of those players were signed recently?
I'll throw Gallagher's name out there as an example (although I'd take Mitch over him), but his contract is nearly done and signed awhile ago. Gally at 3.~ is highway robbery, but it is difficult to compare that contract to whatever Marner will sign.

A more fair comparison for your argument might be Draisaitl at 8.5aav for example.
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23 aoû 2019 à 14 h 28
#10
GM Hockeysaurus Rex
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Quoting: csick
Here comes Sammy and Logan with the not enough for Marner yet they dont want to pay him more than 10. So, which is it?


Listen.. Id pay him 10 and even more if the term is good, without a problem.
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23 aoû 2019 à 14 h 48
#11
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Quoting: SammyT_51
Listen.. Id pay him 10 and even more if the term is good, without a problem.


Exactly. 10m is fine, on a 3 year deal is ridiculous.
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23 aoû 2019 à 14 h 56
#12
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Quoting: JoeForts
He is the most overrated player in the league right now ... there are so many players making between 4-7M that id rather have over him right now.


im just curious.. what players would u choose over him?
23 aoû 2019 à 15 h 05
#13
LongtimeLeafsufferer
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If Marner isn't worth 11m to the Leafs, why would he be worth 11m to the Flyers? There is this illusion on this site that Leafs offer to Marner is substantially less than what other teams are willing to pay him.
Marner can sign with any team.... The trade. Like Konecky but the Leaf would need a Dman that is truly NHL ready and good. I'd say Sanheim not Myers than it could be a deal, which the Flyers don't probably do unless they Marner signs at about 10m.
23 aoû 2019 à 15 h 12
#14
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Quoting: linehan10
Logan is easily the biggest clown on this site


The bitterness is strong with this one. Lol throwing chirps from afar.
23 aoû 2019 à 15 h 13
#15
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Quoting: LoganOllivier
The bitterness is strong with this one. Lol throwing chirps from afar.


remember when i said you developed a reputation?
23 aoû 2019 à 15 h 14
#16
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Quoting: csick
Here comes Sammy and Logan with the not enough for Marner yet they dont want to pay him more than 10. So, which is it?


I don't mind it at all. But I am also very high on Myers. I think he's going to be a terrific player very soon. I felt he was the best at the WJ in his last go around there. I think something else would need to happen to balance the contracts but I've said in the past, for a trade with Philly Myers is my target.
23 aoû 2019 à 15 h 19
#17
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Quoting: linehan10
remember when i said you developed a reputation?


Cool a bunch of uber fans of different teams don't like me because I don't want to give away top end players for very little because it would be convenient for the team you are a fan of. I couldn't possibly tell you how much this bothers me.......because I don't care at all.
23 aoû 2019 à 15 h 21
#18
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
Hard yes.


Bunch of bitterness on here today, how dare people use logic and reason in arguments!
23 aoû 2019 à 15 h 22
#19
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Quoting: Random2152
I am offended you didn't say I was. frown

Mission failed; We'll get em next time.


All you have to do is, call this guy on his nonsense and then don't back down when he gets all whiny and starts lobbing insults. He doesn't like having his nonsense pointed out.
23 aoû 2019 à 15 h 24
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Quoting: JoeForts
He is the most overrated player in the league right now ... there are so many players making between 4-7M that id rather have over him right now.


First half I'd say is BS. The second half of your statement I'd agree with but in all of those cases its due to players having very undervalued contracts. For instance, who wouldn't rather have McKinnon at his contract over Marner? But since we can't just change rosters as we can on video games, you have to deal with the business side of things. In this case, I've been firm that Ferris is a clown and has over reached in a big way. Now speculation and fan angst has blown all of this way out of proportion and a circus has ensued.
23 aoû 2019 à 15 h 26
#21
Démarrer sujet
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Quoting: palhal
If Marner isn't worth 11m to the Leafs, why would he be worth 11m to the Flyers? There is this illusion on this site that Leafs offer to Marner is substantially less than what other teams are willing to pay him.
Marner can sign with any team.... The trade. Like Konecky but the Leaf would need a Dman that is truly NHL ready and good. I'd say Sanheim not Myers than it could be a deal, which the Flyers don't probably do unless they Marner signs at about 10m.


There is also this illusion in your head that because Toronto doesn't want to go over 10.5 that atomically means other teams aren't willing to go over it. I'm pretty sure Panarin signed for 11.5M.
23 aoû 2019 à 15 h 32
#22
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Quoting: LoganOllivier
First half I'd say is BS. The second half of your statement I'd agree with but in all of those cases its due to players having very undervalued contracts. For instance, who wouldn't rather have McKinnon at his contract over Marner? But since we can't just change rosters as we can on video games, you have to deal with the business side of things. In this case, I've been firm that Ferris is a clown and has over reached in a big way. Now speculation and fan angst has blown all of this way out of proportion and a circus has ensued.


The first half is 100% accurate. This kid put up 2 60pts seasons before this and now we're suppose to hand him over a top end contract because JT made him look good for a year .... gtfo
23 aoû 2019 à 15 h 39
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Quoting: JoeForts
The first half is 100% accurate. This kid put up 2 60pts seasons before this and now we're suppose to hand him over a top end contract because JT made him look good for a year .... gtfo


Okay pump the brakes a little here boss.

1) Yes Tavares obviously helped Marner to a career year
2) Marner also helped Tavares to a career year
3) Young players are going to get paid if they are top contributors. Its just the way the market is moving.
4) I agree Marner shouldn't get 11 million, I am hoping for a 6 year deal around 9.5 million
5) Everyone on here either doesn't know or doesn't remember that the year before last Marner played at an above a point a game pace for the second half of the season once he was put on Kadri's line with Marleau.

Marner isn't overrated, his agent is a clown who is overreaching and this whole thing is getting way too much attention.
23 aoû 2019 à 15 h 56
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Quoting: JoeForts
The first half is 100% accurate. This kid put up 2 60pts seasons before this and now we're suppose to hand him over a top end contract because JT made him look good for a year .... gtfo


I just read something on another thread where Friedman reported that Mitch has said no to an 11M/8yr offer from the leafs. Who knows if that's true.. but if it is? Lol. Fire him and his ego into the sun and make a trade.. or sit him for the year and revisit this next year when he comes back to earth.

Marners only way out is to sign an OS and the leafs let him go for 4 firsts, or they match and get him for under 10.55M... neither of which are coming. Either way, I don't see the leafs losing this one. I imagine they'll take the kid gloves off soon, regardless of how sensitive his camp can get about things.. and if he's still sitting g on his high horse then he'll get traded.
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23 aoû 2019 à 17 h 18
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Quoting: blowing_the_zone
I just read something on another thread where Friedman reported that Mitch has said no to an 11M/8yr offer from the leafs. Who knows if that's true.. but if it is? Lol.


That's insane if true.
 
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