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1015M TBLs cap space

Créé par: bhavikp27
Date de création initiale: aoû 5, 2019
Publié: 5 aoû 2019 à 10 h 15
Équipe: 2019-20 Lightning de Tampa Bay
Explications
Assuming Rutta and Schenn stay, Witkowski in the AHL and Domingue traded for a pick (that's why he's on LTIR so he doesn't count)


TBL has about $10M or so to sign Erne & Point.

Will they be able?
Rachats de contrats
  • Matthew Carle: 1 833 333 $
  • Vincent Lecavalier: 0 $
Enfoui
  • Mike Condon: 1 325 000 $ (2 400 000 $)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2020
TBL
VAN
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
OTT
TBL
2021
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
NSH
2022
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2081 500 000 $71 348 331 $0 $1 362 500 $10 151 669 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
TBL
Palat, Ondrej
5 300 000 $
AD, AG
NTC
UFA - 3
TBL
Stamkos, Steven
8 500 000 $
C, AD
NMC
UFA - 5
TBL
Joseph, Mathieu
728 333 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
TBL
Johnson, Tyler
5 000 000 $
AG, C, AD
NTC
UFA - 5
TBL
Cirelli, Anthony
728 333 $
C
RFA - 1
TBL
Kucherov, Nikita
9 500 000 $
AD
UFA - 8
TBL
Killorn, Alex
4 450 000 $
AG
NTC
UFA - 4
TBL
Paquette, Cédric
1 650 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 2
TBL
Gourde, Yanni
5 166 666 $
AD, AG, C
NTC
UFA - 6
TBL
Martel, Danick
700 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
TBL
Hedman, Victor
7 875 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 6
TBL
Sergachev, Mikhail
894 166 $
DG
RFA - 1
TBL
Vasilevskiy, Andrei
3 500 000 $
G
UFA - 1
TBL
McDonagh, Ryan
6 750 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 7
TBL
Cernak, Erik
697 500 $
DD
RFA - 1
TBL
McElhinney, Curtis
1 300 000 $
G
UFA - 2
TBL
Coburn, Braydon
1 700 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 2
TBL
Shattenkirk, Kevin
1 750 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
TBL
Rutta, Jan
1 300 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
TBL
Domingue, Louis
1 150 000 $
G
UFA - 1
TBL
Schenn, Luke
700 000 $
DD
UFA - 1

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5 aoû 2019 à 10 h 16
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100%
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5 aoû 2019 à 10 h 22
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Jake
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Why didn't Tampa just keep Callahan on LTIR? Now they just have Condon eating $1.325M buried in the AHL?
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5 aoû 2019 à 10 h 25
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bhavikp27
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Quoting: jwg314
Why didn't Tampa just keep Callahan on LTIR? Now they just have Condon eating $1.325M buried in the AHL?


I would like to give you a complete answer but there are salary's things and when you have a player on LTIR, it's more difficult to make moves (callups) so

But someone can probably give you a better answer
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5 aoû 2019 à 10 h 25
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what happened to Domingue? why TBL wants him go? i thought he's a decent backup goalie
5 aoû 2019 à 10 h 26
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If Tampa is able to sign Point on a bridge contract, they should use Kucherov's deal as a comparable. Kucherov's bridge was at 6.53% of the cap at signing, and was for 3 yrs x $4,766,667.

If they bridged Point at 2/3 years, they could potentially sign him for a $5,321,950 AAV
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5 aoû 2019 à 10 h 26
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Modifié 5 aoû 2019 à 10 h 42
8 year deal point should be around 9-9.7. 5 years should be around 7-8. 3 should be 5.5-6.5.
5 aoû 2019 à 10 h 29
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Quoting: jwg314
Why didn't Tampa just keep Callahan on LTIR? Now they just have Condon eating $1.325M buried in the AHL?


Yea, I couldn't figure that out either. From what we know about LTIR....look what the Leafs did acquiring Clarkson too apparently GAIN cap space.
5 aoû 2019 à 10 h 29
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Quoting: jwg314
Why didn't Tampa just keep Callahan on LTIR? Now they just have Condon eating $1.325M buried in the AHL?


There is an interview with JBB where he explains Callahan trade.

https://www.nhl.com/lightning/video/brisebois-on-condon/t-277437434/c-68672203
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5 aoû 2019 à 10 h 31
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LongtimeLeafsufferer
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Quoting: staytru20
If Tampa is able to sign Point on a bridge contract, they should use Kucherov's deal as a comparable. Kucherov's bridge was at 6.53% of the cap at signing, and was for 3 yrs x $4,766,667.

If they bridged Point at 2/3 years, they could potentially sign him for a $5,321,950 AAV


Although that type of logic seems to be from another era. Does that mean the Leafs can sign Marner for 5.25m X 3?
5 aoû 2019 à 10 h 36
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Quoting: palhal
Yea, I couldn't figure that out either. From what we know about LTIR....look what the Leafs did acquiring Clarkson too apparently GAIN cap space.


Its about next year. They expect $1.5 million is bonuses to Cernak, Cirelli, Sergachev and Joesph. With the LTIR of Callahan all of that would have went against next years cap as you can't accrue cap space when on LTIR. So moving Callahan basically frees up 1.5M in space for next year. The other reason he said he did was trade deadline, he said for every 1M in cap space that accrues at the beginning of the year its worth like 4M at the trade deadline so they also open up the possibility of making a trade deadline move.
5 aoû 2019 à 10 h 37
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Quoting: palhal
Although that type of logic seems to be from another era. Does that mean the Leafs can sign Marner for 5.25m X 3?


What's the comparable bridge contract for the Leafs? I think it's harder to compare a potential Marner deal to a potential Point deal, because a 5.3M deal in Tampa has a higher net pay amount than Marner would get in Toronto due to taxes. Also, it's easier for GMs of teams to point at a player's teammate and say, "hey, the league MVP signed a bridge contract and we paid him what he was worth after it expired."
5 aoû 2019 à 10 h 41
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Quoting: jwg314
Why didn't Tampa just keep Callahan on LTIR? Now they just have Condon eating $1.325M buried in the AHL?


PLayer bonuses translate to next years cap if you exceed the cap limit with a LTIR. This would not be good for the Bolts as they'll be in a cap crunch next offseason, having to re-sign 2 great RFAs + Joseph
5 aoû 2019 à 10 h 52
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Quoting: staytru20
What's the comparable bridge contract for the Leafs? I think it's harder to compare a potential Marner deal to a potential Point deal, because a 5.3M deal in Tampa has a higher net pay amount than Marner would get in Toronto due to taxes. Also, it's easier for GMs of teams to point at a player's teammate and say, "hey, the league MVP signed a bridge contract and we paid him what he was worth after it expired."


Kucherov was coming off of back-to-back 65 point seasons though. Point just scored 66 and then 92. I would think he has surpassed that comparable.
5 aoû 2019 à 10 h 54
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Quoting: jwg314
Kucherov was coming off of back-to-back 65 point seasons though. Point just scored 66 and then 92. I would think he has surpassed that comparable.


Fair point. I don't think he signs for that exact amount, but that gives you the floor on a bridge deal.
5 aoû 2019 à 11 h 55
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Quoting: staytru20
If Tampa is able to sign Point on a bridge contract, they should use Kucherov's deal as a comparable. Kucherov's bridge was at 6.53% of the cap at signing, and was for 3 yrs x $4,766,667.

If they bridged Point at 2/3 years, they could potentially sign him for a $5,321,950 AAV


Quoting: Snipshow4416
8 year deal point should be around 9-9.7. 5 years should be around 7-8. 3 should be 5.5-6.5.


5 million for Point? Even on a bridge deal, that seems low. Keep in mind, Point has done better than Kucherov at the time he signed his bridge deal. Even though Kucherov won MVP, Point has proven to the the Lightning’s best player. He drives the play for the top line, plays in all situations, scores goals and has unparalleled hockey sense. If anything he is going to get a bridge deal of at least 9 million, maybe 8 if you minus state taxes. 12 million on an 8 year deal.
5 aoû 2019 à 11 h 57
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Quoting: staytru20
If Tampa is able to sign Point on a bridge contract, they should use Kucherov's deal as a comparable. Kucherov's bridge was at 6.53% of the cap at signing, and was for 3 yrs x $4,766,667.

If they bridged Point at 2/3 years, they could potentially sign him for a $5,321,950 AAV


Kind of tough to go to the negotiation tables and say, “see this deal that was universally viewed as terrible for the player? That’s what we’re working off of!”
 
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