Yeah, hell no. Not even with an extension. Kaprizov should be (and hopefully is) untouchable. The guy led the KHL in goal scoring as a 22 year old

with an extension is pretty fair value.

but Boldy + 2020 1st + works too

Didn't you get the memo? All Russians players will report to the Rangers.

Would NYR fans like this?

Jason Zucker for Kakko+1st rounder

I agree with TanSor. This is almost worthy of number blocking. Kreider is not what this team needs and trading Kaprizov AND a 1st would blow a hole in our already thin prospect pool. Outside of Kap and Boldy, we don't have any real high end prospects in the system. We've waited this long for him to come over, trading him less than a year from him signing with us would be a massive mistake.

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Do people even bother to look at teams when proposing trades? Even if we pretend it's fair value (it's not), the Wild absolutely don't need another LW.

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Again, to which I'd say, how about Zucker for Kakko + 2020 1st?

Just going on precedent:

Pacioretty gets you Suzuki, Tatar and a 2nd
Turris gets you Girard, Kamenev and a 2nd.



How much more does Kreider get you? I'd say a solid bit more. How does Boldy compare to Girard / Suzuki? How does Tatar/Kamenev + 2nd compare to a 1st? Now consider Kreider gets you considerably MORE than that....I don't think it's ridiculous.

Why would Kreider get you considerably more? Nothing about him says he's worth more than a guy like Paccioretty.

The key part in the precedent you're also missing is need. Vegas needed Paccioretty. Nashville needed a 2C to play behind Johanson. The Wild don't need a LW, so Kreider's value to them is much less than you'd think.

I totally understand that. I don't think the argument is the need for the Wild to have Kreider. Any trade would honestly be a reflection of Fenton's whims than anything. But it's more of a way to understand Kreider's objective value rather than Kreider's subjective value to the Wild.

It’s not ridiculous?

Kravstov+NYR 1st 2020 for Zucker. Zucker>Kreider and Zucker is signed long term. If you say no, you’re a hypocrite.

I don't think Zucker > Kreider at all....

Over the last 3 seasons Kreider has smoked Zucker defensively And that's with Lindy Ruff running the d who might be the league's worst...




In terms of recency, it's not very close



But what probably makes the situation most ridiculous is trying to equate Kravtsov to Boldy lol.

I do agree that Zucker is heavily undervalued though. Mainly by your own GM who was close to pulling the trigger on a 1st + Frolik for him, which is absolutely ridiculous.

Zucker has more value than Kreider as a 1 year rental.

A recent #9 overall pick vs a #12 overall pick from this last year. Do more research on Boldy, you obviously don't know much about about him. Kravstov and Boldy would be a great debate for #2 on the Wild's prospect list behind Kaprizov.

lol

though most of these Kreider deals are presuming an extension.

but the fun part is when you get to stuff like NHLe

Kaprizov : 0.75
Kravtosv: 0.75
Boldy: 0.07

Forgive me, you're missing the point here. Kreider does NOT have an extension. Until he does there's no point in assuming his value has an extension attached to it. Let alone that even with an extension he wouldn't be worth Kaprizov/Boldy+2020 1st.

NHLe lol... I didn't even know that was a thing. The fact that you are using it as anything other than saying that the KHL>USHL (duh) is amusing though. Kravtsov has a ways to go to reach Kaprizov's level, albeit he does have a few years to catch up.

Using: http://nhlecalculator.blogspot.com/2017/05/the-nhle-calculator-updated-24052017.html

Per 82 games NHLe calculations are pretty fun, I agree:
Kaprizov 54 points
Boldy 28 points
Kravtsov 26 points

Even if you use draft+1 seasons:
Kaprizov 31 points
Kravtsov 26 points
(Boldy doesn't have a draft+1 season to use, if you use his draft season it's still higher than Kravtsov)