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Marner offre sheet

Créé par: Habsnation
Date de création initiale: jui 7, 2019
Publié: 7 jui 2019 à 13 h 50
Équipe: 2019-20 Canadiens de Montréal
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
LISTE DE RÉSERVEANSCAP HIT
Romanov, Alexander3925 000 $
Caufield, Cole3925 000 $
RFAANSCAP HIT
Marner, Mitchell510 500 000 $
Armia, Joel22 300 000 $
Lehkonen, Artturi22 300 000 $
Offres hostiles
Le salaire annuel moyen (AAV) de l'offre hostile est calculé en divisant la valeur totale du contrat par: 1. La durée totale du contrat, ou 2. Cinq ans
JOUEURAAVCOMPENSATION
Marner, Mitchell10 500 000 $
Choix de 1e ronde en 2020
Choix de 2e ronde en 2020
Choix de 3e ronde en 2020
Choix de 1e ronde en 2021
Transactions
MTL
  1. 2020 2e round pick (BUF)
BUF
  1. Byron, Paul
Rachats de contrats
  • Steve Mason: 1 366 667 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Marco Scandella: 2 000 000 $ (50%)
  • Ilya Kovalchuk: 350 000 $ (50%)
Enfoui
  • Dale Weise: 1 275 000 $ (2 350 000 $)
  • Matthew Peca: 225 000 $ (1 300 000 $)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2020
CHI
BUF
MTL
ANA
SJS
WPG
MTL
FLA
MTL
CHI
2021
MTL
MTL
CHI
MTL
MTL
MTL
2022
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2381 500 000 $80 253 808 $0 $3 977 500 $1 246 192 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
MTL
Domi, Max
3 150 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
MTL
Kotkaniemi, Jesperi
925 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 2
Marner, Mitchell
10 500 000 $
AD
UFA - 6
MTL
Drouin, Jonathan
5 500 000 $
AG
UFA - 4
MTL
Danault, Phillip
3 083 333 $
C
UFA - 2
MTL
Gallagher, Brendan
3 750 000 $
AD
UFA - 2
MTL
Lehkonen, Artturi
2 300 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 2
MTL
Poehling, Ryan
925 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 2
MTL
Tatar, Tomas
4 800 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
MTL
Weal, Jordan
1 400 000 $
C, AD, AG
UFA - 2
MTL
Suzuki, Nick
863 333 $
C, AD
RFA - 3
MTL
Armia, Joel
2 300 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
MTL
Mete, Victor
748 333 $
DG/DD
RFA - 1
MTL
Weber, Shea
7 857 143 $
DD
UFA - 7
MTL
Price, Carey
10 500 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 7
MTL
Chiarot, Ben
3 500 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 3
MTL
Petry, Jeff
5 500 000 $
DD
NMC NTC
UFA - 2
MTL
Kinkaid, Keith
1 750 000 $
G
UFA - 1
MTL
Kulak, Brett
1 850 000 $
DG
UFA - 3
MTL
Folin, Christian
800 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
MTL
Reilly, Mike
1 500 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
MTL
Fleury, Cale
771 666 $
DD
RFA - 2
MTL
Teasdale, Joël
763 333 $
C
RFA - 3

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7 jui 2019 à 14 h 33
#26
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Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
and when will the Habs raise another cup likely 2078 something like that I would go to say Toronto wins a cup in 2020.
2 no because he made the cap work he has enough to sign marner to a long-term 10.5M contract hence the reason we have said they will MATCH.
3 no you don't have the best Prospect Pool, not even close to the best prospect pool, go look at Ottawa, and Minnesota, and Boston, and Florida, and Anaheim. All have better Prospect Pools than Montreal because Kotkaniemi, and Poehling don't count anymore they played NHL ice and they are staying on the NHL ice.
4 no you actually don't you have spent too much money on players like Price, and Shea Weber. Also called being a hypocrite if you have enough for another 2 10+M you are basically they same as Dubas. Stop playing on NHL 19....kid


Suzuki- 42 points in Ohl playoffs (recently only McDavid and Marner has more)

Caufield- Broke Ovechkin 14 goals record in WC juniors and broke 55 goals Matthews record with 72 goals in 64 games.

Primeau- Best goalie of year
Romanov - MVP defenseman U-20 WJ tournament
Poehling - MVP U-20 WJ tournament
Josh Brook- Def of the year WHL

So yes we have the best prospect pool in nhl and the most balanced.. search in google hahah
7 jui 2019 à 14 h 33
#27
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Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
No he has the skill to be a Top Line Winger at most, but to say he is one of the best Wingers in the League, and still have a worse CF% than Tarasenko, Radulov, Gallagher, and even Aho is quite hilarious how much wool is pulled over everyone's eyes.


The skill to be a top line winger at most? You've got to be kidding me...he is clearly a top line winger. He has the skill to be a top 5 winger and I believe a top 10 winger as of last season at age 22.
7 jui 2019 à 14 h 39
#28
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Quoting: Habsnation
Suzuki- 42 points in Ohl playoffs (recently only McDavid and Marner has more)

Caufield- Broke Ovechkin 14 goals record in WC juniors and broke 55 goals Matthews record with 72 goals in 64 games.

Primeau- Best goalie of year
Romanov - MVP defenseman U-20 WJ tournament
Poehling - MVP U-20 WJ tournament
Josh Brook- Def of the year WHL

So yes we have the best prospect pool in nhl and the most balanced.. search in google hahah


Poehling doesn't count like I said numbnuts, and just because certain players have certains things doesn't mean it transitions to the NHL. Suzuki heavily carried by a kid named Tag Bertuzzi....42 Points in playoffs means nothing when you are playing the same team over and over, and it's a crappy team.

WJC really means nothing Caufield might be good, but not amazing.

Primeau not even close to Cal Petersen, and you didn't name where bet it was in the CHL where it has no baring on a 20 Year Old Goalie.

Romanov WJC again really means nothing....

Poehling is NHL doesn't count..

Josh Brook WHL woohoo he won a junior league award at 20 he so good. Means nothing....
7 jui 2019 à 14 h 42
#29
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Quoting: ChiHawk
The skill to be a top line winger at most? You've got to be kidding me...he is clearly a top line winger. He has the skill to be a top 5 winger and I believe a top 10 winger as of last season at age 22.


right now yes, skill to be a top line winger at most. That's what he should be paid like until he can show his "Patrick Kane" skills or whoever the hell you wanna say he plays like he should be paid by what his skillset shows and that's 7.5/8M. You don't watch enough Toronto hockey to notice...
7 jui 2019 à 14 h 47
#30
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Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
right now yes, skill to be a top line winger at most. That's what he should be paid like until he can show his "Patrick Kane" skills or whoever the hell you wanna say he plays like he should be paid by what his skillset shows and that's 7.5/8M. You don't watch enough Toronto hockey to notice...


Unfortunately, you clearly don't understand that young players get paid on not only what they've shown but their upside. This is true in any professional sport.

You're right...I never played the game one step shy of the show let alone watch enough hockey to know.
7 jui 2019 à 14 h 49
#31
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Quoting: ChiHawk
Unfortunately, you clearly don't understand that young players get paid on not only what they've shown but their upside. This is true in any professional sport.

You're right...I never played the game one step shy of the show let alone watch enough hockey to know.


But you don't get what the upside is, if he is getting carried the upside is less, if I were to pay him based only simple fact he has been carried, I would be giving him a 6x6, but since I know he has some future upside maybe a little bit of growth 7.5/8M....
7 jui 2019 à 14 h 55
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Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
But you don't get what the upside is, if he is getting carried the upside is less, if I were to pay him based only simple fact he has been carried, I would be giving him a 6x6, but since I know he has some future upside maybe a little bit of growth 7.5/8M....


Here's the problem; you are analyzing this purely off of Corsi with and without JT. You can't analyze advanced stats without looking at the complete lines...that's 3 players, and then analyze each player individually against his linemates with consideration were they 1st, 2nd or 3rd lines they played on. Line chemistry is a big factor...I said earlier, especially the case for dynamic wingers...they need the right linemates. We saw this with Patrick Kane as the Hawks rolled him out on the 3rd line a lot this season and he looked like crap. Advanced stats are important to look at, but they are hardly overall telling of a player's capabilities. Marner is one of the smartest players in the league, one of the most dynamic stick handlers and skaters.
7 jui 2019 à 15 h 05
#33
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Quoting: ChiHawk
Here's the problem; you are analyzing this purely off of Corsi with and without JT. You can't analyze advanced stats without looking at the complete lines...that's 3 players, and then analyze each player individually against his linemates with consideration were they 1st, 2nd or 3rd lines they played on. Line chemistry is a big factor...I said earlier, especially the case for dynamic wingers...they need the right linemates. We saw this with Patrick Kane as the Hawks rolled him out on the 3rd line a lot this season and he looked like crap. Advanced stats are important to look at, but they are hardly overall telling of a player's capabilities. Marner is one of the smartest players in the league, one of the most dynamic stick handlers and skaters.


Nohis Rel CF% is 0.38, his Rel GF% is 8.38 Rel xGF% is a 1.63, Quality of Teammate CF% is a 51, and his Quality of Competition is a 47 on the CF% scale. He has a 59.2 oZS% which is down from the last 2 years, and his dZS% is a whopping 40...
7 jui 2019 à 15 h 13
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Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
Nohis Rel CF% is 0.38, his Rel GF% is 8.38 Rel xGF% is a 1.63, Quality of Teammate CF% is a 51, and his Quality of Competition is a 47 on the CF% scale. He has a 59.2 oZS% which is down from the last 2 years, and his dZS% is a whopping 40...


Okay so there are the advanced stats. Can you imagine what Kane's advanced stats were when he was playing on the 3rd line this season? I have no way to pull that but the Hawks did a lot of this during the season. He looked like absolute crap on the 3rd line. Point is, you can take a top 5 player in the league (Kane) throw him on the wrong line and while he's clearly still a good winger, he hardly looked like anywhere near a top 5 or top 20. Dynamic wingers, not two way guys or physical wingers, need the right linemates. That's what the advanced stats show here with Marner and JT. It's no different then Kane when he had Toews or Anisimov in his prime with Panarin and Sharp before that. Is Rantenen the same player without Mackinnon or Landeskog?
7 jui 2019 à 19 h 11
#35
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Quoting: ChiHawk
Okay so there are the advanced stats. Can you imagine what Kane's advanced stats were when he was playing on the 3rd line this season? I have no way to pull that but the Hawks did a lot of this during the season. He looked like absolute crap on the 3rd line. Point is, you can take a top 5 player in the league (Kane) throw him on the wrong line and while he's clearly still a good winger, he hardly looked like anywhere near a top 5 or top 20. Dynamic wingers, not two way guys or physical wingers, need the right linemates. That's what the advanced stats show here with Marner and JT. It's no different then Kane when he had Toews or Anisimov in his prime with Panarin and Sharp before that. Is Rantenen the same player without Mackinnon or Landeskog?


Kane had better stats in xGF% GF% CF% and the Ratio between QoT v QoC is actually worse in marginal compared to what Marner has. Marner has a +4 Ratio in QoT v QoC on his side. Kane's ratio is -2 meaning he carried his team rather the team carrying him....
 
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