Quoting: Daoloth
YOu are free to believe moon landing is fake or real.. Perception is reality... IF think teams draft where they are because of some random balls in a lottery that isn't rigged I can only laugh... Results when applied to the odds they claim don't add up... Same team drafting 2/3 years like Jersey or Oilers having all those in a row isn't random its on purpose... Devils had money issues, Ilya retired, team being sold, NHL had to help the franchise... NHL shares revenue, if any franchises are losing money it hurts the entire league as a hole... Penguins before getting their last 2 cups heavily pushed by NHL were in money trouble talk of selling team... Just like when Crosby was selected by them to be allowed to be their 1st overall pick... So NHL is going to influence events to try to get strongest franchises they can... Calling Vegas to claim the major penalty they called was wrong saying they are sorry? Refs being sent home for not producing results the NHL wanted like Sharks... Islanders having goal taken away w/ penalty on goalie interference they couldn't review because its a penalty in a game they lost 1-0 in OT... Islanders having goal taken away saying guy kicked it in behind his own red line? How can guy kick a puck in behind the goal line when it just hits his skate in a fluke without any distinct kicking motion having it go in off goalie? matt Martin having been called off sides on review when he wasn't... Very easy to edit video to show what they want happened these days... You can edit video in a matter of seconds without even factoring mistakes/optical illusions
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You probably think Pro Wrestling is real or not predetermined... Everything is influenced, there is a reason certain teams get shafted... NHL heavily favors original 6, look into history... Will see how things were setup for them including free agents/drafts. They added the expansion teams to be jobbers kinda like in pro wrestling in first place... Currently the NHL draft lottery is rigged 100% to select who picks where... Unless they make changes it has no validity its so clearly rigged anybody who is blind can see it clear
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People believe Easter Bunny is real... SAnta is real... God is real, Religion is real, perception is reality. Gambling, knowing how the balls work for lottery its without doubt to be rigged. I'd rather have 16 balls for each team who misses playoffs when Seattle comes in... Live drawing where logo of team is all need to know who wins then factor in any trades they made w/ that pick etc... I also think lottery should be done year prior so know ahead of time where finish/pick... Things like that eliminate tanking, teams have drafted 1st overall who don't deserve it or not improved enough to matter... Oilers/Devils amt of 1st overall picks those teams have had since the rigged lottery is insane... NHL wants to control where the big name players end up... They don't want a generational talent going to a team like LA Kings over a NY Rangers or even metro teams like Devils or Islanders are more ideal... Big markets tend to be better fits for high profile players... I think Mathews would be better off in USA, there is no mistake that he ended up on Toronto though never forget that... I think McDavid in Edmonton is a mistake, NHL wanted him there... Guys playing in Buffalo or Florida are virtually unknown or even CBJ not many know Werenski compared to say Seth JOnes
. NHL is about making money, growing the league, keeping franchises doing well from the top to bottom... Blues vs. Carolina woudln't have been ideal or even CBJ so they made sure Boston was the team to advance to SCF... In West I think Sharks were better choice, NHL wanted to trot out some sick kid ending Blues long streak without winning as letting in Expansion Seattle... Hoping to make Ryan O'Reilley more name/easier to market among perhaps some others... Like his story of giving away a guitar, things like that, since Bettman took over the NHL has been rigged to least a degree... Montreal being last team from Canada to win isn't a mistake, unless believe my curse is to blame for Canada not winning since cheating Kings
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Okay, I don't understand what you're saying. I get it, but it makes no sense. You say that the numbers don't work with the percentages. It's not always going to work out exactly even. It would take the least likely team to win winning 10 years in a row to get me to believe it is rigged. The Devils picking 1st 2 out of 3 years doesn't mean it's rigged. I don't get how that logic makes sense. It could have been any team. You'd be saying the same thing if it was any other team. And the Oilers won it a lot but it doesn't mean anything. It's not rigged. You haven't given me any good reason to believe it is. About the non-call in game 7 of the Vegas-San Jose series, that has nothing to do with the draft lottery. And anyway, they made a rule change and it's because that went wrong. They are making sure that doesn't happen again. It's not like they chose to let San Jose win so they called the penalty. And what are the chances of San Jose scoring 4 goals on that power play anyway? Even if they wanted San Jose to win, did they really think that would work? And it doesn't matter anyway, because the refs aren't on either side. And this has nothing to do with the draft lottery anyway. Nothing at all. The Thrashers didn't win any lotteries near the end of their time in Atlanta. If the lottery was rigged, they'd probably choose Atlanta to help sell more tickets at their games. The Coyotes didn't win the draft lottery in 2015 when it seemed like they were going to move soon. They never moved, but if the draft lottery was rigged, they would have picked Arizona to get them Connor McDavid. You're saying the lottery is rigged and the NHL wants to save teams, but Edmonton won the lottery in 2015 and Toronto in 2016. Arizona in 2016, too, would have been huge for selling tickets. Think about it: Matthews is FROM ARIZONA, and the Coyotes weren't selling many tickets if i remember correctly. If the lottery was rigged, they would have HAD to give Arizona the first pick, but Toronto got it. Toronto. The team who has so many fans and totally didn't need help selling tickets. Their team needed help but they had the best chance of winning and the team wasn't going to move or anything. Your logic is not making any sense to me.
The reason they aren't doing 1 ball for each team is because they want to give the lower teams in the standings a better chance at #1 overall. They aren't going to put 1000 balls each with a logo on them in 1 big machine. That would be too hard to do haha lol ... it would be funny to watch, but obviously that would never happen lol. You never explained to me how any combinations are more likely than others. They are all exactly the same. You have said that they give the teams they want to win the lottery the better numbers, but no number is more likely than any other. It's the AMOUNT of numbers that makes the difference. But it seems like for the most part you're saying the whole thing is fake, correct? Are you saying that in the videos they do, they pretend the number belongs to one team when it actually doesn't? I think that's what you're saying, because that's the only way it could be rigged. It's not though. Or at least you haven't given me a good reason to believe it is. You're talking about Pittsburgh winning the lottery but not about Atlanta and Arizona not winning lotteries. In the Thrashers' last few seasons they couldn't go to 1st overall, but for a few years before that i think they could. And they could have moved up 4 spots back then. The Coyotes have missed the playoffs 7 years in a row, and in all of those years they could have picked 1st, but they didn't in any of those years. So, this logic you're using doesn't make any sense. Unless you give me a really good reason to believe it's rigged, i'm not going to believe it. And Florida, too. They won it in 2014, but the last few years they haven't won it. Think about how much that would have helped their team. But it's completely luck. I'm still not sure if you actually think it's rigged. I'm thinking you do but I still don't understand the logic you're using. It's 100% real and it's completely luck. That's all it is. I just don't see why the NHL would choose the winners. They want it to be fair, so they have a lottery instead of choosing a winner. If they choose a winner every year the other teams would be unhappy and there would be so many dumb arguments. With a lottery, even if some teams don't like the results, they aren't going to get mad at the league for it when the league did nothing wrong and had nothing to do with picking the winner. So, do you have a good reason or not? And we've only seen 1 original 6 team win the lottery in the last 12 draft lotteries if i am correct. So, if the NHL really wants original 6 teams to do well, then wouldn't they be winning the lotteries if it's rigged? I get what you're saying about Pittsburgh, but think about what i've said about Atlanta/Arizona. It's all just luck. Somebody has to win the lottery every year. There are reasons the NHL would pick any team to win if it's rigged. So, why are you just picking the reasons for the team who actually won? Maybe Pittsburgh seemed like a good team to win it in 2005, and maybe they seemed like the one who needed it most, but Arizona did in 2015 and 2016. Just imagine if Arizona had won in 2016. That would have been so fun to watch Matthews in Arizona. But he's a Leaf. He's a Leaf because the lottery balls ended up picking Toronto. It's completely random and it's all luck. Just because New Jersey won in 2017 that didn't make it any more or less likely that they'd win it in 2019. I think it's pretty funny that any team with Taylor Hall seems to win the lottery. But again, it's all just luck and he has nothing to do with it. Still funny though lol. Or maybe it means he makes the team worse, but he was injured for most of this past season after winning the Hart trophy last year, so that means he doesn't make the team worse lol. I'm obviously kidding about him making teams worse. Edmonton is pretty bad without him. I don't know how they'd be doing if they hadn't traded him for Larsson, but they'd be better than they are now IMO. Obviously that was a really bad trade for Edmonton and Larsson isn't anywhere near as good as Hall, but I love how people forget that Larsson is actually a really good player because he's just "the guy who got traded for Taylor Hall". He's actually a top 4 d-man though. At least i think he is. About the refs, you're not saying that's all fake, too, are you? You're not saying the refs are trying to help one particular team, are you? That's the reason they don't have refs for particular teams. It's so that they don't start helping that team and only that team. They want the refs to be fair, which is a good thing, obviously. I'm not sure if you're saying they're trying to help one team or not, but it doesn't matter, because they aren't. Every team gets bad calls for them and against them. Just some of them are worse calls than others or at worse times. But it has nothing to do with who the teams are.
You're saying the NHL doesn't want Canadian teams to win but Edmonton kept winning the draft lottery and Toronto won it in 2016. That logic makes no sense. You're saying the NHL is trying to make sure they don't help Canadian teams and that the lottery is rigged, but a Canadian team picked 1st overall in 5 out of 7 years, winning the lottery in 4 of those years. (New Jersey won the draft lottery in 2011, but the lottery was different back then, so they only moved up 4 spots from #8 to #4. Only the bottom 5 teams could pick 1st overall, but the 6th last team could go to 2nd, 7th last to 3rd, and you get what i mean. You probably already knew how it worked back then anyway.) So, that logic doesn't make sense. That just says more about how bad this logic is that you're using. I'm not trying to be mean, but this logic you're using seriously makes no sense. Just think about it. I don't get how this all works the way you're saying it does.
How do Santa, God, etc have anything to do with this? Those have nothing to do with the NHL draft lottery. And you're saying you think they should do it the year before, but who would get the best chance at picking 1st overall? The worst team from the year before? If so, that doesn't fix the tanking problem. Teams don't usually "tank" anyway. I don't like tanking but it's very rare that teams do it. You could say Minnesota is tanking, but i don't think so. They signed Zuccarello. That's not a very good signing in my opinion, but it shows us that they're not tanking. Things like Santa, God, and other things like that have nothing to do with this though. I get what you're saying but that doesn't have anything to do with this. You're using examples, but this is all about luck. It's too much for my brain anyway, and maybe i have no idea what i'm saying when comparing Santa, God, etc to the NHL draft lottery, but it doesn't matter, because they use a real lottery and they don't just pick the winners. What are you saying about ROR giving away the guitar. Just so you know, i do know what you're talking about. I read about him giving the fan the guitar, but i'm just asking what that has to do with any of this. I don't see what that has to do with this. What does ROR even have to do with this?
You're talking about Boston getting out of the East, but last time Boston was in the draft lottery (2016) they had no idea Boston would play Columbus in the 2nd round in 2019. They didn't know it would be Boston, Columbus, Carolina, and the Islanders in round 2 in the East. How would they have any idea that was going to happen? And Boston didn't even win the draft lottery that year. I think they had the worst chance of all teams and only like a 1% chance to win it or whatever the number was. But what i'm asking is what that has to do with this. Boston in the playoffs has nothing to do with the draft lottery. Even last year when some of those teams were in the draft lottery they had no idea who would be still in the 2nd round in the East. And Carolina jumped up from 11th to 2nd (i think it was 11th). What are you saying here? I'm confused. I don't get how any of this has anything to do with the draft lottery. These are not lottery teams we're talking about, obviously. And Canada not winning the cup can't mean the lottery is rigged. Like i said, Edmonton and Toronto. That explains how your logic isn't making sense.
When Buffalo was getting unlucky in the lottery, they finally won it. It's not like the NHL hates them or anything. It's just that the lottery has ended up working out where they didn't get the 1st overall pick ... until 2018, when they won it. They finally got lucky. Like i was saying earlier, past luck has nothing to do with future luck. This is all luck and nothing else, so for example, just because Vancouver keeps falling in the draft lottery, it doesn't mean it will happen again in 2020. They haven't been getting lucky in the draft lottery, but it doesn't mean they can't get lucky in the draft lottery in the future. That doesn't really have much to do with this, but i've always found it weird when people act like that isn't true. Usually people don't, and most people understand how that works, but some don't for some reason, which confuses me.
Here's another question for you: Who did you think would win the lottery in 2019 if you think it's rigged? Did you think it would be New Jersey? And why New Jersey? Why would the NHL want New Jersey to win the draft lottery? I'm not saying they should have been hoping they didn't win, but i just don't understand why New Jersey. Anyway, who did you think would win it? If you think it's rigged, then the question is basically this: Who did you think the NHL would give the 1st overall pick to this year? I'm curious to hear your answer. Because I don't see any reason why they'd want New Jersey to win. I'd think of teams like Florida or someone like that who the NHL wanted to sell more tickets. The NHL doesn't like moving teams and if Florida had gotten Hughes/Kakko that might have helped them sell more tickets. Sure, it's mostly because Florida just isn't much of a hockey place, and they have had a pretty decent team the last few years, but they usually miss the playoffs. I think they've made it like twice in the last 18 seasons or something like that. Hughes and Kakko would have made a difference IMO. Non-hockey fans there might have been like, "Hey, the Panthers just got this new young guy and he's supposed to be really good. It might be fun to go to some hockey games." Really, what has the team done recently? I don't even think they've won a playoff series since they made it to the final in 1996 and i think they've only made the playoffs twice in the last 18 seasons. That might have something to do with the smaller amount of fans at their games. I mean, it's Florida, but Tampa Bay has been selling more tickets than the Panthers. Maybe it's also something to do with that part of Florida, i have no idea.
Going a little bit off topic, were you picking Jack Hughes to fall out of the top 3? Seriously? Why? He was going to do 1st or 2nd. We knew that going in. I had him going 1st and i think the majority of people had him going 1st. Kakko had made things interesting in the last few months, and i wouldn't have been shocked to see him go 1st, but i picked Hughes to go 1st and the majority of people did (or at least i think they did). Also, whichever of the 2 didn't go 1st was going 2nd. We basically knew that. Did you actually have Hughes not going 1st or 2nd and then not going 3rd either? Why? That makes no sense to me. He was an obvious top 2 pick. I haven't even watched him play much and I was 99.999% sure he'd be a top 2 pick (maybe more like 99.9% to be realistic haha). I was kind of hoping the Devils would take Kakko so the Rangers could take Hughes, but Kakko's good, too, and he might be better right away. As a Rangers fan, i'm happy with where this team is going. We could be a playoff team in 2019-20. Hard to predict. The Devils also could be.
Speaking of that, Buffalo is another team in the East who could make it. They'd probably be a bit more of a surprise than the Rangers and Devils, and i'm not saying they make it, but it wouldn't shock me. Maybe i'll pick them to make it, i haven't thought about it too much, but i'll think about it a bit more and look into more details and whatever when i make my full predictions, probably in the next few days. I will also make fully predictions in October before the season starts. I made some after the SCF ended and i will be making more in the next few days. I can't wait almost 3 months for hockey season to start lol. Is it October yet? Haha lol i just can't wait. It's already been too long for me without NHL hockey and i have to wait almost another 3 months. I wouldn't be shocked to see either of my teams (Rangers and Islanders) in the playoffs, but i wouldn't be shocked to see either of them miss. So, maybe just one will make it, or maybe both will, or maybe neither will. Obviously, you never know any year with any teams, but I feel like there's a very decent chance that any of those things could happen. I hope they both make it, but i have no idea what will happen. It's going to be an interesting season win so many good teams. It seems like in the Metropolitan division, at least, there are so many teams who have a very decent chance at making the playoffs, but no teams that are "basically for sure" playoff teams other than Washington who i'd be shocked to see miss. Any other team in that division could make it. The Atlantic has Tampa Bay, Toronto, and Boston, and also Florida who i think the majority of people are expecting will make it. And then teams like Montreal and Buffalo who have a decent chance, and then Detroit and Ottawa. I'd be shocked to see the Red Wings or Senators make the playoffs, but you just never know. So, the Metropolitan division is deeper than the Atlantic, but the Atlantic is better at the top.
The West is a little different. Not as many teams I could really see making it. I mean, you never know, but i don't see Anaheim, LAK, or Minnesota really having any chance at the playoffs. Probably the same with Edmonton. No one else would shock me, but the only ones i'd be shocked to see make it in the East are Ottawa and Detroit. Columbus made it to the 2nd round this year. Yes, they lost some key FAs but at least they got Nyquist. They could still be a playoff team. I don't think i see it happening, but I wouldn't be shocked. Maybe Korpisalo or that new guy, whatever is name is, has a really good year. Maybe one of them could be the starter. I'm not sure if i see it happening, but they have that potential i think. I don't know enough about the new guy. His name is like Merzlikins ir something like that. I probably have that name completely wrong lol.