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29 juin 2019 à 4 h 6
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I don't see Vegas making playoffs having worst defense in entire NHL... Moving their only decent right shot d-man who has hardest shot/fastest skater AHL honors... Fleury wont be able to produce making 7M a year when his market value is closer to half that... Over paying players like STone, Max, removed so much cap they had to dump their better players for trash... Goon Gallant is a horrible coach who stopped rolling 4 lines 15ish minutes a game when they traded for TRash Reaves... Who is a cancer that infected the entire team costing them Cup/President Trophy while leading to Eakin taking a stupid major head hunting little JOe... anybody wearing a face shield hitting a guy high is clearly used to grasping his ankles w/ his head buried in a pillow smile... Its clearly intent to injury to anybody who ever played hockey in their life given the score/situation too...

While the Pacific Division is weak, I don't think that will be enough for a marginal badly run team from top to bottom like Vegas to get in... Vegas already in cap trouble setting a record while not having 1 draft pick play a game for them yet smile... Depending on what happens I think it could be 3-5 years before Vegas can get a goalie or rebuild a defense w/ right shot d-men... Their left shot d-men are awful except for McNabb given the contract/term/cap hits...
29 juin 2019 à 13 h 29
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I don't see Vegas making playoffs having worst defense in entire NHL... Moving their only decent right shot d-man who has hardest shot/fastest skater AHL honors... Fleury wont be able to produce making 7M a year when his market value is closer to half that... Over paying players like STone, Max, removed so much cap they had to dump their better players for trash... Goon Gallant is a horrible coach who stopped rolling 4 lines 15ish minutes a game when they traded for TRash Reaves... Who is a cancer that infected the entire team costing them Cup/President Trophy while leading to Eakin taking a stupid major head hunting little JOe... anybody wearing a face shield hitting a guy high is clearly used to grasping his ankles w/ his head buried in a pillow smile... Its clearly intent to injury to anybody who ever played hockey in their life given the score/situation too...

While the Pacific Division is weak, I don't think that will be enough for a marginal badly run team from top to bottom like Vegas to get in... Vegas already in cap trouble setting a record while not having 1 draft pick play a game for them yet smile... Depending on what happens I think it could be 3-5 years before Vegas can get a goalie or rebuild a defense w/ right shot d-men... Their left shot d-men are awful except for McNabb given the contract/term/cap hits...


Okay, first of all, their defence is better than Ottawa's IMO. Did you say Miller was their only decent RHD? Have you heard of Nate Schmidt? You also said their left shot d-men are awful except for McNabb. What about Theodore? Merrill is a decent bottom pairing guy. On the right side don't forget that they also have Holden. More of a 6/7 guy but he can play in your lineup. Ottawa, however, has Chabot and then their 2nd best defenseman is probably Ceci, who I've always thought is a little underrated, but he's no more than a #5 IMO. Just look at their D. Almost an AHL level D lol. Really, though, it's nowhere near good enough for the NHL.

When they "get a goalie"? Fleury???????????????????????????????????????????????? Do you not know who Fleury is???????? Did you not know that he's a 3-time Stanley Cup winner who has put up great numbers in the past few years? Yes, he's getting older, but is still a very good goaltender and probably will be in 2019-20. Also, i don't like Reaves but he didn't stop their chances of winning. I've heard he's a good teammate, but I don't like the way he plays on the ice. Eakin shouldn't have gotten a 5-minute major. I do think that SHOULD be a 5-minute major in the rules, but as much as I don't like the rule, the rules say that's a 2-minute minor. Bad call by the refs IMO. But then don't forget the Golden Knights' horrible penalty kill LOL. Maybe i shouldn't say "horrible", but horrible for that level in a game 7. They can move on from that, though, IMO. It's not going to make them miss the playoffs.

I'm not saying there's no way they make the playoffs. I don't think it'll be by far either way. They either sneak in or just miss IMO. I have them making it, though, and i definitely disagree with some of the things you've said about their defence/goaltending. Like Gerard Gallant? LOL. He's a horrible coach? Yeah, he won the Jack Adams award the season before last. He's a horrible coach. He only brought a team of average NHLers to the Stanley Cup Final and turned them into above average NHLers. shakes head
29 juin 2019 à 16 h 26
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Okay, first of all, their defence is better than Ottawa's IMO. Did you say Miller was their only decent RHD? Have you heard of Nate Schmidt? You also said their left shot d-men are awful except for McNabb. What about Theodore? Merrill is a decent bottom pairing guy. On the right side don't forget that they also have Holden. More of a 6/7 guy but he can play in your lineup. Ottawa, however, has Chabot and then their 2nd best defenseman is probably Ceci, who I've always thought is a little underrated, but he's no more than a #5 IMO. Just look at their D. Almost an AHL level D lol. Really, though, it's nowhere near good enough for the NHL.

When they "get a goalie"? Fleury???????????????????????????????????????????????? Do you not know who Fleury is???????? Did you not know that he's a 3-time Stanley Cup winner who has put up great numbers in the past few years? Yes, he's getting older, but is still a very good goaltender and probably will be in 2019-20. Also, i don't like Reaves but he didn't stop their chances of winning. I've heard he's a good teammate, but I don't like the way he plays on the ice. Eakin shouldn't have gotten a 5-minute major. I do think that SHOULD be a 5-minute major in the rules, but as much as I don't like the rule, the rules say that's a 2-minute minor. Bad call by the refs IMO. But then don't forget the Golden Knights' horrible penalty kill LOL. Maybe i shouldn't say "horrible", but horrible for that level in a game 7. They can move on from that, though, IMO. It's not going to make them miss the playoffs.

I'm not saying there's no way they make the playoffs. I don't think it'll be by far either way. They either sneak in or just miss IMO. I have them making it, though, and i definitely disagree with some of the things you've said about their defence/goaltending. Like Gerard Gallant? LOL. He's a horrible coach? Yeah, he won the Jack Adams award the season before last. He's a horrible coach. He only brought a team of average NHLers to the Stanley Cup Final and turned them into above average NHLers. shakes head


I noticed you didn't vote... Schmidt is a left shot worthless trash d-man who was exposed badly in the SCF as #27... A cheater who was suspended for PEDs claiming he took Viagra... Vegas only right shot D-man is Engellend if he comes back who had 2 goals with 10 assists or something pathetic like that... HE over achieved since he was basically a 7th d-man winger/goon on Flames... Fleury is washed up, he wont play 30 games this year or maybe he will have a concussion end his career... LEt me break this down for those who might read this able to process logic and reason...

First I would take Senators D over VEgas in a second... Senators have 4.4M right now for 5 players compared to VEgas who has 5.2M or 5.9M cap hits on single players who are inferior left shot D-men with no real value... Senators Chabot on ELC had 14 goals/55 points in 70 games... HE alone is vastly better than anything Vegas has on DEfense... You need a right shot D-man who can score 10-20 goals putting up 50 points or more in NHL... Codi Ceci has had 10 goals before for Senators as their lone RFA, this year he had 7 goals w/ 26 assists... DeMelo another right shot D-man had 4 goals w/ 22 points... Jaros had 1 goal in 61 games w/ 10 points about same production as top right shot d-man on Vegas who is left in Engellend if he stays/returns... Senators also got Brannstrom from Vegas who many expect to produce elite numbers... Still only have 4.4M locked into 5 players, maybe its raises to 5.9M if they sign Ceci for say 1.5M or whatever...

Vegas has over 17M locked on to all trash D... Schmidt had 9 goals 30 points making 5.2M?? HE isn't in league w/ Chabot who is making less than 1M...Theodore a defensive liability trash player had 12 goals 37 points on nearly a 6M dollar cap hit... McNabb is their best D-man/value or Merril which isn't saying anything... Nobody on Vegas blue line is a #1 D-man, they don't have a Hedman, Gioardana, they don't even have a Duncan Keith... Maybe the Keith that exists now would be all they got... For having almost 18M locked into defense they have nobody that shoots right... YOu can't win in NHL with a bunch of #4 D-men that have no value... You can find left shot D-men a dime a dozen, I can sign players that will produce better numbers for less than 5.2M or 5.9M... They don't deserve that money, Miller had less than 4M a right shot D-man w/ fastest skater/hardest shot... PP QB, look at his salary compared to what Trouba will make, PK Subban, other sight shot D-men in NHL for the production they give... He was their best value trading him for trash hurts their cap...

YOu can't win in NHL paying goalie 7M or more... Nobody has won Stanley Cup having a goalie making over 5 or 6M... Most have won on ELC or low paid contracts... Quck's first cup he was making like 1.2M or something akin to that not the 5.8M of his second cup... CRawford I think won a cup making 6M, his original cup his salary was lower... Matt Murray was making like 500K when he got his cup, Blues goalie made a lot less than Jake Allen who started.. Fleury is injury prone, isn't worth 7m, he is past his prime a concussion away from ending his career for good...

1 Right shot D-men have the most value in the NHL as they are the least stocked position... Especially when getting into elite players or franchise people like Burns, Drew Doughty... Penguins got Schultz w/ Letang or they woudn't have anything... Pretty much all the cup winners have had 3 right shot d-men playing for them compared to any who lost having 4-5 left shot...

2. Center Franchise is the next most vital position in the NHL... Guys who can take faceoffs/win, play 20 minutes a game on PP/PK etc...

3. Defense or Wingers are the next most important, depending on the team or needs... YOu wont go far if don't have a franchise right shot D-man... Though teams can limp into playoffs like Tampa having Hedman or Flames with Giordano only to lose via some early exist for not having the right shot D-men needed to win...

4. Goalie is the least important position, if somebody is paid 7M+ they wont win anything... Pekke Rinne was a total disgrace in SCF for example... Henrik barely won a game vs. Kings needing the magnets or glue of blue line to stop him...

BTW fix your mistakes confusing a RD with a Right Shot D-men... Schmidt shoots left even if he is wrongly listed as a RD... HE is just a LD, its like playing a guy at 3rd base who is a 1st baseman... Its can only end badly, you have weak points that are very easy to exploit... HOlden is beyond horrible a a left shot D-man playing RD... He was like a -4 vs. Sharks in game vs. them in playoffs or something abysmal... Vegas have vastly the worst defense, even worse then the last place Ottawa Senators who have cap space to vastly improve on what is already better than Vegas... NObody on the Vegas D would probably be a top pairing on any other team or be afforded at 5.2M or 5.9M... Basically Vegas has two Dion Phaneufs on their roster even if they don't realize it now... They have inflated totals but even that falls short of Chabot level quality smile. VEgas would be competing for Cup if they had Senators Defense w/ all that cap space to improve what is already better than the 17M almost 18M trash they got on blue line...
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I noticed you didn't vote... Schmidt is a left shot worthless trash d-man who was exposed badly in the SCF as #27... A cheater who was suspended for PEDs claiming he took Viagra... Vegas only right shot D-man is Engellend if he comes back who had 2 goals with 10 assists or something pathetic like that... HE over achieved since he was basically a 7th d-man winger/goon on Flames... Fleury is washed up, he wont play 30 games this year or maybe he will have a concussion end his career... LEt me break this down for those who might read this able to process logic and reason...

First I would take Senators D over VEgas in a second... Senators have 4.4M right now for 5 players compared to VEgas who has 5.2M or 5.9M cap hits on single players who are inferior left shot D-men with no real value... Senators Chabot on ELC had 14 goals/55 points in 70 games... HE alone is vastly better than anything Vegas has on DEfense... You need a right shot D-man who can score 10-20 goals putting up 50 points or more in NHL... Codi Ceci has had 10 goals before for Senators as their lone RFA, this year he had 7 goals w/ 26 assists... DeMelo another right shot D-man had 4 goals w/ 22 points... Jaros had 1 goal in 61 games w/ 10 points about same production as top right shot d-man on Vegas who is left in Engellend if he stays/returns... Senators also got Brannstrom from Vegas who many expect to produce elite numbers... Still only have 4.4M locked into 5 players, maybe its raises to 5.9M if they sign Ceci for say 1.5M or whatever...

Vegas has over 17M locked on to all trash D... Schmidt had 9 goals 30 points making 5.2M?? HE isn't in league w/ Chabot who is making less than 1M...Theodore a defensive liability trash player had 12 goals 37 points on nearly a 6M dollar cap hit... McNabb is their best D-man/value or Merril which isn't saying anything... Nobody on Vegas blue line is a #1 D-man, they don't have a Hedman, Gioardana, they don't even have a Duncan Keith... Maybe the Keith that exists now would be all they got... For having almost 18M locked into defense they have nobody that shoots right... YOu can't win in NHL with a bunch of #4 D-men that have no value... You can find left shot D-men a dime a dozen, I can sign players that will produce better numbers for less than 5.2M or 5.9M... They don't deserve that money, Miller had less than 4M a right shot D-man w/ fastest skater/hardest shot... PP QB, look at his salary compared to what Trouba will make, PK Subban, other sight shot D-men in NHL for the production they give... He was their best value trading him for trash hurts their cap...

YOu can't win in NHL paying goalie 7M or more... Nobody has won Stanley Cup having a goalie making over 5 or 6M... Most have won on ELC or low paid contracts... Quck's first cup he was making like 1.2M or something akin to that not the 5.8M of his second cup... CRawford I think won a cup making 6M, his original cup his salary was lower... Matt Murray was making like 500K when he got his cup, Blues goalie made a lot less than Jake Allen who started.. Fleury is injury prone, isn't worth 7m, he is past his prime a concussion away from ending his career for good...

1 Right shot D-men have the most value in the NHL as they are the least stocked position... Especially when getting into elite players or franchise people like Burns, Drew Doughty... Penguins got Schultz w/ Letang or they woudn't have anything... Pretty much all the cup winners have had 3 right shot d-men playing for them compared to any who lost having 4-5 left shot...

2. Center Franchise is the next most vital position in the NHL... Guys who can take faceoffs/win, play 20 minutes a game on PP/PK etc...

3. Defense or Wingers are the next most important, depending on the team or needs... YOu wont go far if don't have a franchise right shot D-man... Though teams can limp into playoffs like Tampa having Hedman or Flames with Giordano only to lose via some early exist for not having the right shot D-men needed to win...

4. Goalie is the least important position, if somebody is paid 7M+ they wont win anything... Pekke Rinne was a total disgrace in SCF for example... Henrik barely won a game vs. Kings needing the magnets or glue of blue line to stop him...

BTW fix your mistakes confusing a RD with a Right Shot D-men... Schmidt shoots left even if he is wrongly listed as a RD... HE is just a LD, its like playing a guy at 3rd base who is a 1st baseman... Its can only end badly, you have weak points that are very easy to exploit... HOlden is beyond horrible a a left shot D-man playing RD... He was like a -4 vs. Sharks in game vs. them in playoffs or something abysmal... Vegas have vastly the worst defense, even worse then the last place Ottawa Senators who have cap space to vastly improve on what is already better than Vegas... NObody on the Vegas D would probably be a top pairing on any other team or be afforded at 5.2M or 5.9M... Basically Vegas has two Dion Phaneufs on their roster even if they don't realize it now... They have inflated totals but even that falls short of Chabot level quality smile. VEgas would be competing for Cup if they had Senators Defense w/ all that cap space to improve what is already better than the 17M almost 18M trash they got on blue line...


First i'll say this: I looked on CF and noticed that Schmidt and Holden were listed as RDs. I wasn't sure about Holden but was confused because i had thought Schmidt was a left shot. But i just assumed i had been wrong and he was a RHD. Either way, at least Vegas is better on the left side than Ottawa. Yes, Ottawa has Brannstrom, but what has he really done yet? He's only played 2 games. Idk if he's expected to play yet or not. They have Chabot and other than that their D isn't very good for the NHL. Sure, Vegas doesn't even have a Chabot, but if their top 4 is McNabb, Schmidt, Theodore, and Merrill, that's not good enough, but it's better than Chabot, Ceci, Jaros, and DeMelo.

I never said Vegas is going to win the cup in 2020. If they make the playoffs, you never know. Anything can happen in the playoffs. I think they make it and lose in round 1. I think you're underrating their D though. Holden is not "beyond horrible" IMO. He's an okay #6 in the NHL. Isn't Jimmy Schuldt expected to play in the NHL? If he plays, it'll be interesting to see how he does. Don't forget that they could re-sign Engelland. Cap space will be a problem though. I'd expect them to really try to move that Clarkson contract. It'll cost them picks, though, especially because he won't be playing. If you're Calgary and you're moving James Neal, at least the new team is getting a player back. Same with guys like Loui Eriksson, Nikita Zaitsev, etc. I believe Toronto will have to pay to move Zaitsev's contract. However, it won't be a big price to move him, because another team knows they'll be getting a player. Clarkson can't even play with his injury. So, it'll cost a lot (pretty good picks/prospects), but i think Clarkson needs to be moved as long as it's not a ridiculous price to move him.

Vegas does have really good forwards. Karlsson, Marchessault, Smith, Stone, Pacioretty, Stastny, Eakin, etc. They have a really good forward group. Fleury continues to put up good numbers, so I think he's a good enough goalie.

I agree with you that defence is a problem, and you made a good point about teams like CGY and TBL, but i didn't say i think Vegas wins the cup. I said I think they make the playoffs. Even though they don't have a Hedman or Giordano. Defence is definitely a problem there, but team defence helped them a lot in the 2018 playoffs, and they have good forwards, goaltending, and coaching. And i still think their D is better than Ottawa's. The Miller trade, though, definitely makes their defence work. I wouldn't be shocked if they bring back Engelland. Moving Clarkson's contract would definitely help. And they might ge Gusev on forward, too. But it all depends on cap space.

Also, did you say that goalie is the least important position? That's a joke, right? Or am i misunderstanding what you're saying? You need good goaltending to win a cup. The worst goaltending we've seen from a cup winning goaltender recently that i can think of is Quick in 2014. And look at his numbers. I'm not going to look up all the goalie stats for cup winning goaltenders, i'm just saying ... and okay, maybe Quick was better than i said he was in the 2014 playoffs. I'm just saying that the goalie plays all 60 minutes and is maybe the most important position (maybe centre). I feel like i'm probably misunderstanding what you're saying.

And yes, I think Fleury counts as a good goaltender.

Edit: I accidentally said the Miller trade makes their defence work. I meant it makes their defence worse*.
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First i'll say this: I looked on CF and noticed that Schmidt and Holden were listed as RDs. I wasn't sure about Holden but was confused because i had thought Schmidt was a left shot. But i just assumed i had been wrong and he was a RHD. Either way, at least Vegas is better on the left side than Ottawa. Yes, Ottawa has Brannstrom, but what has he really done yet? He's only played 2 games. Idk if he's expected to play yet or not. They have Chabot and other than that their D isn't very good for the NHL. Sure, Vegas doesn't even have a Chabot, but if their top 4 is McNabb, Schmidt, Theodore, and Merrill, that's not good enough, but it's better than Chabot, Ceci, Jaros, and DeMelo.

I never said Vegas is going to win the cup in 2020. If they make the playoffs, you never know. Anything can happen in the playoffs. I think they make it and lose in round 1. I think you're underrating their D though. Holden is not "beyond horrible" IMO. He's an okay #6 in the NHL. Isn't Jimmy Schuldt expected to play in the NHL? If he plays, it'll be interesting to see how he does. Don't forget that they could re-sign Engelland. Cap space will be a problem though. I'd expect them to really try to move that Clarkson contract. It'll cost them picks, though, especially because he won't be playing. If you're Calgary and you're moving James Neal, at least the new team is getting a player back. Same with guys like Loui Eriksson, Nikita Zaitsev, etc. I believe Toronto will have to pay to move Zaitsev's contract. However, it won't be a big price to move him, because another team knows they'll be getting a player. Clarkson can't even play with his injury. So, it'll cost a lot (pretty good picks/prospects), but i think Clarkson needs to be moved as long as it's not a ridiculous price to move him.

Vegas does have really good forwards. Karlsson, Marchessault, Smith, Stone, Pacioretty, Stastny, Eakin, etc. They have a really good forward group. Fleury continues to put up good numbers, so I think he's a good enough goalie.

I agree with you that defence is a problem, and you made a good point about teams like CGY and TBL, but i didn't say i think Vegas wins the cup. I said I think they make the playoffs. Even though they don't have a Hedman or Giordano. Defence is definitely a problem there, but team defence helped them a lot in the 2018 playoffs, and they have good forwards, goaltending, and coaching. And i still think their D is better than Ottawa's. The Miller trade, though, definitely makes their defence work. I wouldn't be shocked if they bring back Engelland. Moving Clarkson's contract would definitely help. And they might ge Gusev on forward, too. But it all depends on cap space.

Also, did you say that goalie is the least important position? That's a joke, right? Or am i misunderstanding what you're saying? You need good goaltending to win a cup. The worst goaltending we've seen from a cup winning goaltender recently that i can think of is Quick in 2014. And look at his numbers. I'm not going to look up all the goalie stats for cup winning goaltenders, i'm just saying ... and okay, maybe Quick was better than i said he was in the 2014 playoffs. I'm just saying that the goalie plays all 60 minutes and is maybe the most important position (maybe centre). I feel like i'm probably misunderstanding what you're saying.

And yes, I think Fleury counts as a good goaltender.

Edit: I accidentally said the Miller trade makes their defence work. I meant it makes their defence worse*.


Hehe its going to cost at least 4.5M to 5M to replace Miller with a player who is lesser value... Chabot is a left shot D-man making Senators vastly better down left side compared to Vegas... Nobody I know is knocking on door wanting defensive liability in #27 or their other over paid D-man... Its like Chicago when they had money invested in Duncan Keith/Seabrock but they were actually producing... Sea was a right shot D-man putting up numbers in league with Drew Doughty... Then their contracts became issues, Vegas is already at that point without the cups... Senators picked up Zaitsev who is 4.5M cap hit not even in league with Miller as a player... Its like having Mathei Schneider on defense wondering why team is getting shelled so badly...

Gusev as I mentioned not long ago will probably be traded is suddenly in rumors/news that Vegas has to trade him smile... Instead of playing him in playoffs when up 3-1 in series vs. Sharks they screwed him over only to allow him to become RFA w/ arbitration rights... So I hear he wants 2M or 4M, or 4M over 2 years... Fleury don't count as a good goalie, watch this year, will see him injured w/ GAA around 3 or 4 depending if he plays 30 or more games... Murray has a cap hit of 3.75M w/ 2 cups, having 7M locked into a dead end in net isn't going to work long or short term... DAnsk is their franchise goalie of future or Lagace wink? Subban isn't anything more than a backup... VEgas has 17M+ locked up into 5 D-men that essentially all suck or are worthless except for maybe McNabb... Engellend is on pace for 6 point season after having 12 last year down about 50% from his rookie season of having like 5 goals w/ 20+ points... His career high in goals is 6 if wonder... VEgas will be lucky to get 20-30 goals from all their D-men looking at them on paper... WhiteCloud was like a -11 in the playoffs after having an inflated + rating in AHL regular season...

As bad as the Sharks are down the left side I would rather have Dillon or Vlasic over any of the trash D-men left on Vegas... Mcnabb would be only player I'd consider but he isn't going to score 10-20 goals w/ 50 or 60 points like a Miller can on right side... I can't wait to see Vegas shelled so badly their coach will get fired then GM:GM... Remember Vegas alienated entire league just about so nobody is looking to make it easy for them to make any trades or deals. Look at their first year they had 3 1st round picks, nothing to show for it... Even if think Glass is great, 5 players ahead of him are vastly better... One guy won Calder taken ahead of him, two of them are all stars... So essentially everybody taken ahead of Glass is better than him. IF Vegas got an earlier 1st pick to start as franchise they would be in better shape not having to do the bad Tatar deal or having some D-man worth playing if they didn't trade him or botch that up too...

Quick should have been traded after that second cup... He was playing w/ a broken wrist but was decent in the SCF... Kings would have won that cup a lot easier if they went with Jones... Bernier could have won the cup for them in 2013 but Quick made sure they didn't... Quick winning at 5.8M was a result of the team that carried him more than anything he did... So paying a guy 5 or 6M is the most you can expect to still win a cup... IN general its better to have a goalie on the minimal salary or making a few million if want to win a cup. You got Murray who was on minimal contract, Binnington, especially in the post lockout/salary cap era... Nobody in net with a cap hit 7M or higher is going to win the cup, odds are against it heavily. Goalies tend to get hot/lucky, I would treat them more like punters or kickers in NFL... Anytime spend big money on one it rarely works out, Cowboys had signed that kicker if recall only to have it bomb... Even drafting kicker in 1st round like Raiders never worked out for them really in Janikowski. I'd rather sign a guy from Europe like Tim Thomas or Backstrom compared to paying a goalie... Kings had Bishop they could have traded Quick then for something... Another problem is rarely get any value for a goalie even if they are worth it in a trade...
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Hehe its going to cost at least 4.5M to 5M to replace Miller with a player who is lesser value... Chabot is a left shot D-man making Senators vastly better down left side compared to Vegas... Nobody I know is knocking on door wanting defensive liability in #27 or their other over paid D-man... Its like Chicago when they had money invested in Duncan Keith/Seabrock but they were actually producing... Sea was a right shot D-man putting up numbers in league with Drew Doughty... Then their contracts became issues, Vegas is already at that point without the cups... Senators picked up Zaitsev who is 4.5M cap hit not even in league with Miller as a player... Its like having Mathei Schneider on defense wondering why team is getting shelled so badly...

Gusev as I mentioned not long ago will probably be traded is suddenly in rumors/news that Vegas has to trade him smile... Instead of playing him in playoffs when up 3-1 in series vs. Sharks they screwed him over only to allow him to become RFA w/ arbitration rights... So I hear he wants 2M or 4M, or 4M over 2 years... Fleury don't count as a good goalie, watch this year, will see him injured w/ GAA around 3 or 4 depending if he plays 30 or more games... Murray has a cap hit of 3.75M w/ 2 cups, having 7M locked into a dead end in net isn't going to work long or short term... DAnsk is their franchise goalie of future or Lagace wink? Subban isn't anything more than a backup... VEgas has 17M+ locked up into 5 D-men that essentially all suck or are worthless except for maybe McNabb... Engellend is on pace for 6 point season after having 12 last year down about 50% from his rookie season of having like 5 goals w/ 20+ points... His career high in goals is 6 if wonder... VEgas will be lucky to get 20-30 goals from all their D-men looking at them on paper... WhiteCloud was like a -11 in the playoffs after having an inflated + rating in AHL regular season...

As bad as the Sharks are down the left side I would rather have Dillon or Vlasic over any of the trash D-men left on Vegas... Mcnabb would be only player I'd consider but he isn't going to score 10-20 goals w/ 50 or 60 points like a Miller can on right side... I can't wait to see Vegas shelled so badly their coach will get fired then GM:GM... Remember Vegas alienated entire league just about so nobody is looking to make it easy for them to make any trades or deals. Look at their first year they had 3 1st round picks, nothing to show for it... Even if think Glass is great, 5 players ahead of him are vastly better... One guy won Calder taken ahead of him, two of them are all stars... So essentially everybody taken ahead of Glass is better than him. IF Vegas got an earlier 1st pick to start as franchise they would be in better shape not having to do the bad Tatar deal or having some D-man worth playing if they didn't trade him or botch that up too...

Quick should have been traded after that second cup... He was playing w/ a broken wrist but was decent in the SCF... Kings would have won that cup a lot easier if they went with Jones... Bernier could have won the cup for them in 2013 but Quick made sure they didn't... Quick winning at 5.8M was a result of the team that carried him more than anything he did... So paying a guy 5 or 6M is the most you can expect to still win a cup... IN general its better to have a goalie on the minimal salary or making a few million if want to win a cup. You got Murray who was on minimal contract, Binnington, especially in the post lockout/salary cap era... Nobody in net with a cap hit 7M or higher is going to win the cup, odds are against it heavily. Goalies tend to get hot/lucky, I would treat them more like punters or kickers in NFL... Anytime spend big money on one it rarely works out, Cowboys had signed that kicker if recall only to have it bomb... Even drafting kicker in 1st round like Raiders never worked out for them really in Janikowski. I'd rather sign a guy from Europe like Tim Thomas or Backstrom compared to paying a goalie... Kings had Bishop they could have traded Quick then for something... Another problem is rarely get any value for a goalie even if they are worth it in a trade...


I don't see Dansk as their future starter. I don't know enough about him but I never thought he was supposed to be their future starter. I've never heard anything about that until now. I don't get why you don't think Fleury is good. Forget about his contract. He is a very good goalie. They'll need to figure out their cap situation but they're not going to trade him. It's likely that they try to move Clarkson's contract. They'll have to give up some picks but maybe someone will take it if they have the cap space for him. It's only one year. The price shouldn't be too crazy to move him. Maybe something like a 2nd+5th+Clarkson for a prospect unlikely to make the NHL. Or maybe Clarkson+3rd+decent prospect for a prospect unlikely to make the NHL. Something like that maybe. I don't know exactly what the price will be. They could put Clarkson on LTIR but there are some problems with doing that. If they can't get under the cap in any other way they'll do that, i guess. The problem with Clarkson is that he can't even play with his injuries. If you're trading for a 1-year bad contract like Jonathan Ericsson in Detroit as an example, last i checked he's healthy and can play in 2019-20. If you're trading for Ericsson, part of what you're getting for taking the contract is the player. It would cost more though. I wouldn't take him for future considerations (aka nothing) because he does have a pretty bad contract. But at least with a guy like that you're getting an NHL player. With Clarkson you're just getting a contract. I don't think he's played since 2015-16. So, that makes the price a bit higher. In a no cap league I wouldn't give up much for Ericsson anyway, but that makes the price to move him a little bit lower.

I think you're underrating the Golden Knights' defence. They have Schmidt, Theodore, and McNabb on the left side. Those guys are all pretty good. I don't know why you seem to think Schmidt is so bad. They're bringing Engelland back, too. Their right side isn't good enough, but at least they have Engelland. He doesn't bring much offensively but he's a good defensive defenseman. Not a top 4 guy or anything but he can play in your top 6, that's for sure. I agree their defence is a problem. It's not good enough. But I think it's betting than you're saying it is. That's just my opinion. The problem with their cap is Gusev and Schuldt. Both need to be signed. I have no idea what Schuldt will be signed for. Maybe he gets traded. I could really see Gusev being traded. I just don't think they can sign him. And he hasn't even played in the NHL, so you don't know what you're getting with him. Normally i'd be fine signing him for 3M or whatever, but with their cap problems why not get something for him? He's definitely a guy they can get something for. Like i said, moving Clarkson's contract would help, but it depends if they can find a team to take it. I think they probably could, but it depends how much they're willing to give up to move his contract. Like i was saying, unlike some bad contracts, any team trading for him isn't even getting a player. It's just a contract signed to a guy who will never play in the NHL again. Ottawa would be a good place to move that cap hit. The problem is that Ottawa doesn't seem to want to spend much money. They're not making that much money with ticket sales, but if they spent more money to get a good team, they might have more fans buying tickets. They do need to get to the cap floor though. They can definitely fit Clarkson into their cap without even needing to put him on LTIR. Then in a year when his contract is up all you've done is gotten some picks, and I doubt Ottawa will be a playoff team in 2020. I think they're a few years away from the playoffs. So, taking short term bad contracts could really help them. And with Clarkson, they have a chance to take a bad contract to only 1 year and get something for taking it, because Vegas needs cap space now. And then again, maybe Vegas puts him on LTIR, but i assume they'd rather not do that.

Speaking of the Senators, they have a better defenseman than any of Vegas's d-men, but their 2nd best d-man is Zaitsev. Vegas has a few defensemen i'd consider better than Zaitsev. Ottawa's defence is horrible for the NHL. Worse than Vegas's IMO. Vegas's isn't one of the better defences in the league, and is definitely below average, but I wouldn't say theirs is the worst. The Rangers' defence was pretty bad for the NHL but now we have Trouba and Fox, which could help out our defence a lot. Right now, Vegas has 5 d-men signed, but it sounds like Engelland is coming back, so they should have 6 even if they don't sign Schuldt. So, Vegas has a top 6 of Theodore, Schmidt, Engelland, McNabb, Holden, and Merrill. That list isn't in any particular order, but that's not horrible. Ottawa's top 6 is probably Chabot, Zaitsev, Hainsey, DeMelo, Jaros, and Wolanin. I'd take Vegas's top 6 over that. I wouldn't be surprised if Borowiecki is the 7th D. That's likely all he is anyway. Ottawa should take some short term bad contracts and get picks for taking them. Like i was saying, they have a perfect opportunity to get picks for taking Clarkson from VGK. They're the perfect team for Vegas to move him to. Obviously, the goal for the Senators' players this year is the win the Stanley Cup. But the management needs to look at it differently. Realistically, it's very unlikely that the Senators make the playoffs this year. They should take some bad contracts because it doesn't do much to the team now. They're not going to need all that cap space at the deadline to trade for rentals whatever. At least i don't think they will. Even if they are looking like a playoff team, which is very unlikely, then they'll still have lots of cap space. And if they go up just below the cap by taking 1-year bad contracts, which is unlikely they'll be able to do (because lots of teams who don't need the cap space now will just keep the players and let their contracts expire without needing to give up picks), then maybe they can't add to their team without moving out cap, but there's nothing wrong with letting the team do what it's been doing. If they're playing well, they could just keep doing what they're doing and go with the same roster for the playoffs.

Gerard Gallant is a very good coach. I don't know why you think he'll be fired. Forget about how much Fleury is making, because he's a really good goalie and they're not trading him. Just because he's making 7M that doesn't mean he can't win them a cup. I don't think they'll win the cup in 2020, but i'm just saying that the cap hit usually doesn't change the goalie's play. Other than that, they have a pretty good team (other than their defence). Their forwards are pretty good and their defence isn't great, but Fleury is a really good goalie and i get what you're saying. You're saying it takes away from the rest of the team. But we don't need to add it all up. We know where they're at with the cap and CapFriendly does it for us wink ... They have cap problems, but Fleury isn't the guy who will be traded. Once they fix those cap problems, we'll see how they play. I think i'm explaining this well. It's kind of hard to explain but i think you get what i mean. I don't think there's anything to that thing you mentioned about the teams winning the cup with their goalies on smaller contracts. I think it's just happened to turn out that way. Remember Vegas went to the final with Fleury. I don't remember if his current contract had started yet, but i'm pretty sure we've seen goalies making 6-7M go to the final with their team. And at that point, nobody cares about the cap hits. It's all about hockey by then. Not money, salary cap, cap hits, etc. Yes, maybe the goalie contracts mean something, but they don't mean too much IMO. It really depends how good the rest of the team is. That's all the goalie contracts really change. If you get other guys on good deals it should make the goalie contract not a big problem. If you even just have one star player on an ELC while the goalie is making more than he should be, then as long as the goalie is playing really well, that's just like having both guys on good contracts, probably even better.

At this point I'm not sure if i think Vegas will make the playoffs or not. I will make some full predictions soon, but i don't know what i'll pick for them. After free agency, it looks harder to predict. Other teams have been getting better, but they're not in the East, where it's even harder to get in. Calgary, San Jose, and Arizona are in their division, maybe Vancouver could get in. Then in the Central there are lots of really good teams. It seems like a lot of the better teams have gotten worse and a bunch of not great but not too bad teams have gotten better. I'm not going to look into it all right now but that's just what it seems like. So, it seems like there are lots of teams who could get in but not many who are basically "for sure" to get in. There are a few, like Tampa Bay, Boston, Toronto, Washington, Calgary, and maybe a few others, but not as many as it usually seems like. Maybe i'll even surprise myself and have one of those teams miss, i'm not sure. I haven't thought about it too much but i'll think about it more when i make my next predictions (probably sometime in the next week or so). It looks like there are a lot of people predicting very different standings. Lots of mixed opinions about a bunch of teams. Lots of people have Winnipeg missing the playoffs, but lots of people have them making it, too. Lots of mixed opinions on teams like Pittsburgh, NY Rangers, New Jersey, etc. There are a lot of teams in the East who will likely be debated a lot. It will be interesting to see what happens. It looks like this year is harder to predict than a lot of years for the reasons i mentioned. I'm just waiting for the next 3 months to go by now lol.
 
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