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San Jose Sharks signed Erik Karlsson (8 Years / $11,500,000 AAV)

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17 juin 2019 à 12 h 59
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People don't seem to understand that not every contract is going to be team friendly. That's just the reality of the business. Erik Karlsson is a game changing talent and one that can push the team over the top. He's 29 years old, so he's still got a good handful of those Hall of Fame worthy seasons left in him. And to ensure that they got this once in a generation player over the duration of their Cup window, this was the contract necessary.
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17 juin 2019 à 12 h 59
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Desperate attempt to keep the window open for a couple more years. But the Sharks will regret this within 4 seasons.
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17 juin 2019 à 13 h 0
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I'm loving it. The Sharks forward corps will be decimated. What happens if the cap comes in at $81.5M? They're screwed. As I said, I'm loving it!
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17 juin 2019 à 13 h 0
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Quoting: weirfanno1
Eeeekkkksssss buy out proof with signing bonuses paid out each year and a full no movement clause for the 8 years. High cap hit and way to much term for a guy who is always injured. Sharks are going to pay for this contract 3/4 years down the road.... lol and I love it makes it much easier for my Jets to compete in the Western Conference long term smile


They'll pay for it next season if he's not 100%!
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17 juin 2019 à 13 h 1
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Someone has to be on their way out, right?


For Sure Could be even Two guys that Go
17 juin 2019 à 13 h 2
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Bad deal for A) a guy who can't stay healthy. B) a team who wants to compete year in and year out. With 26 mil tied up in 3 defensemen and alnost 50 tied up between 3 defensemen, 2 forwards, and one goalie, it's hard to get good depth with those numbers. One of the main reasons why the Blues beat them is because of the depth of the 3rd and 4th lines. Plus, with the almost inevitable lockout looming, the cap will shrink again and then SJ is forced to get rid of people. I'm guessing each team will get two more compliance buyouts
17 juin 2019 à 13 h 3
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Quoting: Brian2016
Meier could be well over $7M AAV. He scored 30 goals and 66 points. Kane scored 30 goals, but only 56 points. Meier also brings an element of physicality that most young players don't have. He's very valuable to the Sharks future.


I'd give him a bridge deal...there's no other way to go pass that. Something like 6x2 or 6,5x3.
17 juin 2019 à 13 h 5
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12 M To Try and Sign Pavelski ,Thornton ,Labanc, and Meier ..... Good Luck


That is impossible. Pavelski and Meier alone will take 15M.

Someone has to be moved
17 juin 2019 à 13 h 6
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Sharks are "win now" mode, for that this is a good contract, the deal in itself isn't bad, if anything i think the NMC will cause them the most grief. it's front loaded so would be an easier contract to trade on the tail end but that NMC..... if this doesn't pan out for whatever reason, injury, performance anything SJS is stuck with the contract for 8 years
17 juin 2019 à 13 h 7
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Quoting: Brian2016
They'll pay for it next season if he's not 100%!


Karlsson doesnt have a huge history of injuries. This year was the first time he missed more than 10 games since the matt cooke incident...

His injurys are blown out of proportion
17 juin 2019 à 13 h 8
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Quoting: DDoverChucky
With a healthy Karlsson they could have won the Cup. No one else has 2 Norris trophy defensemen in their lineup.

Knowing that the Sharks are in win-now mode, would you as SJ's GM really pass on this guy because the deal is a bit too long???


They will have 2 two-time norris trophy winners by the start of next season and still suck...
17 juin 2019 à 13 h 8
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Quoting: BurgerBoss
I'd give him a bridge deal...there's no other way to go pass that. Something like 6x2 or 6,5x3.


Even If you do that, you would only have 6M for Pavelski, Thornton, Labanc, +
17 juin 2019 à 13 h 9
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if Jumbo Joe doesn't retire, Sharks are in big big cap trouble, crap move
17 juin 2019 à 13 h 11
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I was the only one saying he might re-sign. I was kinda 50/50.
17 juin 2019 à 13 h 11
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Even If you do that, you would only have 6M for Pavelski, Thornton, Labanc, +


Indeed. If other moves aren't done (M.Karlsson, Braun moved etc.), Pavelski and Thornton will be walking.
17 juin 2019 à 13 h 20
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Quoting: DDoverChucky
With a healthy Karlsson they could have won the Cup. No one else has 2 Norris trophy defensemen in their lineup.

Knowing that the Sharks are in win-now mode, would you as SJ's GM really pass on this guy because the deal is a bit too long???


They have been in win-now mode for decades. smile GM simply had to make it happen because otherwise he would have looked stupid for giving up too much for 1 year rental. (but he still looks stupid for this contract).
17 juin 2019 à 13 h 25
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Quoting: ProfessorFuzzymuffins
The Sharks now have 26.5 million tied up in 3 defensemen who average age 32 and are signed for at least 6 more seasons.


and another 5.75 in Jones for the next 5 years too...
17 juin 2019 à 13 h 34
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Quoting: Brian2016
The AAV shouldn't come as much of a shock. The term is the head scratcher.


The term isn't a shock either. Everyone he was going to get max term, regardless of it was 7 or 8 years, and that the contract was going to be huge and likely not team-friendly.
17 juin 2019 à 13 h 41
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Players have more power in negotiations than they are given credit for. I'm sure Doug Wilson would have liked a 5 year deal with lower AAV but there's no way EK would accept that.

Vlasic/Burns/Karlsson is a ridiculous D corps
17 juin 2019 à 13 h 48
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No movenent clause throught the whole deal... welcome to cap hell SJS.
17 juin 2019 à 14 h 4
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The Sharks are building to be the NHL's 1st retirement home
17 juin 2019 à 14 h 6
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Quoting: EmperorFun
No movenent clause throught the whole deal... welcome to cap hell SJS.


My thought exactly. The amount? makes sense. The term? A bit much. That full NMC the entire length of the contract? Absolutely brutal.
17 juin 2019 à 14 h 11
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Quoting: BurgerBoss
Indeed. If other moves aren't done (M.Karlsson, Braun moved etc.), Pavelski and Thornton will be walking.


You cant let Pavs walk after his playoffs... Thornton will most likely take a discount.
I think Meier is the most likely candidate for leaving (offer sheet??) if they dont make space.
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17 juin 2019 à 14 h 23
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Quoting: Laudan
Guy deserves it both, money and term. GL EK

At his 36 he will be still better then 85% of Ds in the League.


I don't think the argument is whether Karlsson deserves the contract. The argument is whether the Sharks can afford it and remain competitive.
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17 juin 2019 à 14 h 25
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Quoting: grodziQ
if Jumbo Joe doesn't retire, Sharks are in big big cap trouble, crap move


He's a free agent. They don't have to re-sign him.
But they're in cap trouble anyways.
 
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