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Trade John Tavares

Créé par: RealKyleDubas
Date de création initiale: mai 31, 2019
Publié: 5 jun 2019 à 17 h 46
Équipe: 2019-20 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Explications
Big JT fan but signing him threw the team out of sync and made the contracts too top heavy.

Trade JT, sign Karlsson and Myers. Add strong two way centers to replace JT and Guathier. Add grit to bottom 6 wingers.

= One of the best D core in the league, stronger/tougher forwards and more prospect/pick depth.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Marner, Mitchell511 000 000 $
Kapanen, Kasperi23 200 000 $
Fabbri, Robby1925 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Myers, Tyler55 000 000 $
Karlsson, Erik610 000 000 $
CRÉÉANSCAP HIT
Leonard, Kawhi125 000 000 $
Transactions
TOR
  1. Fabbro, Dante
  2. Watson, Austin
  3. Farrance, David [Liste de réserve]
  4. 2019 1e round pick (NSH)
  5. 2020 1e round pick (NSH)
  6. 2020 2e round pick (NSH)
Détails additionnels:
Fabbro top prospect RD.
Watson adds grit.
Farrance good D prospect.
+ Picks.
David Poille makes big splash.
NSH
  1. Tavares, John
  2. 2019 3e round pick (TOR)
TOR
  1. Glendening, Luke
Détails additionnels:
Right shot center kills penalties.
DET
  1. Brown, Connor
  2. 2019 4e round pick (STL)
TOR
  1. Fabbri, Robby [Droits de RFA]
Détails additionnels:
Has big upside, plays hard and has skill. 1 year deal for cheap.

STL has healthy scratched him throughout playoffs and has a lot of winger depth, so would likely be open to moving him.
STL
  1. Brooks, Adam
  2. 2020 4e round pick (TOR)
  3. 2020 7e round pick (EDM)
TOR
  1. 2021 2e round pick (DAL)
  2. 2021 4e round pick (DAL)
  3. 2019 5e round pick (DAL)
  4. 2021 5e round pick (DAL)
DAL
  1. Zaitsev, Nikita
  2. 2019 2e round pick (TOR)
Détails additionnels:
Dallas needs RD and is missing 2nd and 3rd picks for '19 and '20 drafts.
TOR
  1. 2019 6e round pick (PIT)
ARI
  1. Marleau, Patrick
  2. 2020 2e round pick (NSH)
  3. 2021 2e round pick (DAL)
TOR
  1. Jenner, Boone
  2. 2020 5e round pick (CBJ)
Détails additionnels:
2 way center.
CBJ
  1. Johnsson, Andreas [Droits de RFA]
  2. 2020 2e round pick (TOR)
Détails additionnels:
Need a center instead.
TOR
  1. Veleno, Joseph
Détails additionnels:
Top notch center prospect.
DET
  1. Dermott, Travis
  2. Timashov, Dmytro
  3. 2021 3e round pick (TOR)
  4. 2019 5e round pick (DAL)
Détails additionnels:
Adding Fabbro means Fabbro, Sandin, Liljegren are core D prospects, Dermott expendable, use him to acquire center depth
TOR
  1. Carrier, William
Détails additionnels:
Tough strong winger
VGK
  1. Gauthier, Frédérik
  2. 2021 5e round pick (DAL)
  3. 2019 6e round pick (PIT)
Rachats de contrats
  • Mikhail Grabovski: 0 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Phil Kessel: 1 200 000 $ (15%)
  • Robin Lehner: 1 100 000 $ (22%)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2019
NSH
TOR
TOR
TOR
DAL
2020
TOR
NSH
TOR
CBJ
TOR
TOR
SJS
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
DAL
TOR
TOR
TOR
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2283 000 000 $108 338 866 $0 $932 500 $-25 338 866 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
TOR
Hyman, Zach
2 250 000 $
AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Matthews, Auston
11 634 000 $
C
UFA - 5
TOR
Nylander, William
6 962 366 $
AD, AG
UFA - 5
Fabbri, Robby
925 000 $
AG, C
UFA - 1
TOR
Kadri, Nazem
4 500 000 $
C
NTC
UFA - 3
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
11 000 000 $
AD
UFA - 6
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
925 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
CBJ
Jenner, Boone
3 750 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 3
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
3 200 000 $
AD
RFA - 3
VGK
Carrier, William
725 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
DET
Glendening, Luke
1 800 000 $
C, AD, AG
UFA - 2
NSH
Watson, Austin
1 100 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
Leonard, Kawhi
25 000 000 $
TOR
Bracco, Jeremy
842 500 $
AD
RFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
5 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 3
Myers, Tyler
5 000 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 5
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
5 000 000 $
G
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
4 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
Karlsson, Erik
10 000 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 8
TOR
Sparks, Garret
750 000 $
G
UFA - 1
TOR
Rosén, Calle
750 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
NSH
Fabbro, Dante
925 000 $
DD
RFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
TOR
Horton, Nathan
5 300 000 $
AD
NMC NTC
UFA - 1

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5 jun 2019 à 17 h 48
#1
PJosephM13
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Aside from Marner’s contract amount none of this tracks
5 jun 2019 à 17 h 49
#2
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if you trade jt, no fa will sign in toronto. it'll send a message that the team is willing to trade a big ticket guy who signed as a fa, so they wouldnt want to sign there either
5 jun 2019 à 17 h 51
#3
Jetsfan
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Also, no team will trade for his contract until about year 5.
5 jun 2019 à 17 h 52
#4
Lets go Preds
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Tavares would be nice but fitting his 11 million would be hard with you taking subban or ellis's replacement in the deal.
5 jun 2019 à 17 h 52
#5
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Quoting: Price_is_the_goat
if you trade jt, no fa will sign in toronto. it'll send a message that the team is willing to trade a big ticket guy who signed as a fa, so they wouldnt want to sign there either


Not to worry he has a full nmc and and 47 goals last season... he’s not going anywhere.

If adding a 47 goal star centre and leader for 11m is throwing anything out of whack I don’t see it.
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5 jun 2019 à 17 h 55
#6
get off my lawn...
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Quoting: Jetman
Also, no team will trade for his contract until about year 5.


Are you referring to his bonus structure?
5 jun 2019 à 17 h 56
#7
Lets go Preds
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Quoting: Jamiepo
Not to worry he has a full nmc and and 47 goals last season... he’s not going anywhere.

If adding a 47 goal star centre and leader for 11m is throwing anything out of whack I don’t see it.


I would this deal in heart beat but poile would have to maneuver a lot to make it fit. This is stupid. This would never happen. Lol
5 jun 2019 à 17 h 57
#8
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Dubie
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Quoting: Jamiepo
Not to worry he has a full nmc and and 47 goals last season... he’s not going anywhere.

If adding a 47 goal star centre and leader for 11m is throwing anything out of whack I don’t see it.


He's amazing but Matthews is the better player and Marner helped Kadri get 30+. When they switched Marner off Bozak's line and on to Kadri's two seasons ago, Kadri scored at a ridiculous rate.
5 jun 2019 à 17 h 57
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Quoting: Jamiepo
Not to worry he has a full nmc and and 47 goals last season... he’s not going anywhere.

If adding a 47 goal star centre and leader for 11m is throwing anything out of whack I don’t see it.


i agree. trading him would be a collosal mistake. it'll have long term implications as well
5 jun 2019 à 17 h 57
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Quoting: RealKyleDubas
He's amazing but Matthews is the better player and Marner helped Kadri get 30+. When they switched Marner off Bozak's line and on to Kadri's two seasons ago, Kadri scored at a ridiculous rate.


he stil wont ever score 40. kadri isnt that good
5 jun 2019 à 17 h 59
#11
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Dubie
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Quoting: Price_is_the_goat
he stil wont ever score 40. kadri isnt that good


He makes 6.5m less than JT. Kadri + Kapanen + someone else will get you 50+, minimum
5 jun 2019 à 17 h 59
#12
Jetsfan
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Quoting: Jamiepo
Are you referring to his bonus structure?


Yes...Also by then, the cap will have gone up and 11M wont be too bad
5 jun 2019 à 18 h 02
#13
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Quoting: Jetman
Yes...Also by then, the cap will have gone up and 11M wont be too bad


11m is a good deal for him right now, San Jose offered him 12-13m the bonus structure though... that will scare some teams off.
5 jun 2019 à 18 h 02
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Quoting: RealKyleDubas
He makes 6.5m less than JT. Kadri + Kapanen + someone else will get you 50+, minimum


what dont u get lmao. they arent comparable. one is an elite center and top 15 center in the league. the other isn't even a top 30 C. plus the long term implications are disastrous
5 jun 2019 à 18 h 05
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Quoting: Price_is_the_goat
what dont u get lmao. they arent comparable. one is an elite center and top 15 center in the league. the other isn't even a top 30 C. plus the long term implications are disastrous


Who they signed for 11m and then had a statistically worse season as a team, while his old team went further they they ever did with him.
5 jun 2019 à 18 h 06
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Quoting: Jamiepo
11m is a good deal for him right now, San Jose offered him 12-13m the bonus structure though... that will scare some teams off.


SJS has their own cap hell...11M is alot for any team that is contending...but yes, mostly the bonus sucks for anyone outside the original 6 and VAN.
5 jun 2019 à 18 h 07
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Leafs fans, man.
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5 jun 2019 à 18 h 08
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Quoting: RealKyleDubas
Who they signed for 11m and then had a statistically worse season as a team, while his old team went further they they ever did with him.


what dont you understand about the long term implications??? No fa would want to sign here! If the team moves him after a year or 2, that sends a msg out to other fa's that this team wont respect you, or your contract. thats a bad bad msg ur sending
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5 jun 2019 à 18 h 08
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Quoting: bkoopi69
Leafs fans, man.


We aren’t all lunatics
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5 jun 2019 à 18 h 11
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Quoting: Price_is_the_goat
what dont you understand about the long term implications??? No fa would want to sign here! If the team moves him after a year or 2, that sends a msg out to other fa's that this team wont respect you, or your contract. thats a bad bad msg ur sending


Yes I agree which is why this is Capfriendly and not real life. I'm just arguing that this lineup would make the Leafs a better team than the current situation they're in, with zero space to add another D
5 jun 2019 à 20 h 34
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Quoting: RealKyleDubas
Yes I agree which is why this is Capfriendly and not real life. I'm just arguing that this lineup would make the Leafs a better team than the current situation they're in, with zero space to add another D


ppl on this website know me for not liking the leafs, and heck even having a biased opinion on the leafs, but in NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM are the leafs better without JT. You're talking about a 2 headed monster that very few teams possess at C
5 jun 2019 à 20 h 54
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it will take $35.4m and that $20m condo to sign Klaw
6 jun 2019 à 15 h 39
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Quoting: Price_is_the_goat
ppl on this website know me for not liking the leafs, and heck even having a biased opinion on the leafs, but in NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM are the leafs better without JT. You're talking about a 2 headed monster that very few teams possess at C


I hear you. There is the Crosby + Malkin argument, but also the Toews and Kane argument. Matthews can center one line and make that line elite, Marner on the wing can make the next line elite (without Tavares), as Toews and Kane did in Chicago.

To be honest, I can't even remember who Chicago's 2nd line centers have been when they won their cups. Dave Bolland? Kruger? Handzus? Probably not someone as good as Naz.
6 jun 2019 à 16 h 08
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Quoting: RealKyleDubas
I hear you. There is the Crosby + Malkin argument, but also the Toews and Kane argument. Matthews can center one line and make that line elite, Marner on the wing can make the next line elite (without Tavares), as Toews and Kane did in Chicago.

To be honest, I can't even remember who Chicago's 2nd line centers have been when they won their cups. Dave Bolland? Kruger? Handzus? Probably not someone as good as Naz.


chicago's D core was an elite d-core, with at least 3 top pairing defensemen whom were pure studs. the leafs dont have that. so u have to play to your strengths. leafs strength is center depth. build from that.
6 jun 2019 à 21 h 08
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Quoting: Price_is_the_goat
chicago's D core was an elite d-core, with at least 3 top pairing defensemen whom were pure studs. the leafs dont have that. so u have to play to your strengths. leafs strength is center depth. build from that.


Ya, and on the team I made here the leafs have Rielly, Karlsson, Muzzin and Myers. Obviously unrealistic but my point is that I’d rather have an elite d core like that with Marner and Matthews leading your forwards, than have 33+ million for your top 3 forwards (34 91 16) and have no room for competent d. They are ridiculously top heavy
 
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