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Créé par: dzad96
Équipe: 2019-20 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 5 juin 2019
Publié: 5 juin 2019
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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2 things:

1) I don't think Marner is getting offersheeted. Even if he does, the Leafs will match, UNLESS:
2) He gets offersheeted an insane contract, 10.5+ for 5-7 years, in which case the cost would be 4 first round picks, in which case the Leafs might have to let him go.

So, what would the Leafs roster look like if Marner was offersheeted and gone, and the Leafs got 4 1st round picks instead?

Before I get roasted remember I think this is a very hypothetical scenario which is most likely never going to happen anyways.
Given the hypothetical nature of this post I'm also going to make 2 assumptions, based on recent reports:
1) Marleau gets moved, Kings and AZ have been rumored to be interested.
2) Zaitsev gets moved, and for a decent price. Apparently Zaitsev is "drawing considerable interest around the league"

After the Marleau and Zaitsev moves, Leafs had 18.5 Mil in cap space to work with, doors wide open for lots of possibilities.

After the Spurgeon trade there was 11 Mil in cap space to play with.

Maybe instead of signing Karlsson:
- Panarin
- Gardiner
- Skinner
- Nyquist
- etc

They'd sign someone with the 11 mil worth of cap space after the moves I outlined, not necessarily Karlsson, just threw him in there because he'd be the sexiest option.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
22 750 000 $
32 500 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
21 250 000 $
710 500 000 $
11 111 111 $
Transactions
1.
TOR
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2019 (PHI)
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (PHI)
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (PHI)
Détails additionnels:
2022 1st round pick (PHI)
PHI
  1. Marner, Mitchell [Droits de RFA]
Détails additionnels:
Could be anyone. Saw a Philly AGM doing it the most recently.
2.
TOR
  1. Hossa, Marián
Détails additionnels:
Obvious here for the Leafs side, they get cap relief through LTIR.
ARI
  1. Marleau, Patrick
Détails additionnels:
I think this might actually make sense for both teams, AZ gets a guy who helps them get above the cap floor even more than Hossa does, and he's owed very minimal amount of actual dollars, and he can actually play for them in a third or fourth line role and mentor some kids, unlike Hossa is able to.
3.
VAN
  1. Zaitsev, Nikita
Détails additionnels:
Been seeing reports Vancouver is interested in Zaitsev. This deal is contingent on them actually wanting him, not just taking him as "a favor" (meaning they're not looking for an additional asset in return for taking him)
4.
TOR
  1. Spurgeon, Jared
Détails additionnels:
Contingent on Spurgeon signing an extension, say 6.75 X 6 years.
MIN
  1. Johnsson, Andreas
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (TOR)
Détails additionnels:
Johnson might actually sign for more money, doesn't really matter for the sake of this trade. MIN only accepts if they don't think they can resign him before next offseason.
5.
TOR
  1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2019 (NYI)
Rachats de contrats
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
2019
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Logo de DAL
2020
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Logo de TOR
Logo de TOR
Logo de TOR
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Logo de EDM
Logo de SJS
Logo de WPG
2021
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2383 000 000 $82 893 310 $0 $215 000 $106 690 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
AD
UFA - 3
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11 634 000 $11 634 000 $
C
UFA - 5
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
6 962 366 $6 962 366 $
AD
UFA - 5
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
2 250 000 $2 250 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
11 000 000 $11 000 000 $
C, AG
NMC
UFA - 6
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
842 500 $842 500 $ (Bonis de performance82 500 $$82K)
AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
C
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
775 000 $775 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
Logo de Canucks de Vancouver
3 750 000 $3 750 000 $
AG
UFA - 2
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
675 000 $675 000 $
C
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
925 000 $925 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
1 250 000 $1 250 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 3
Logo de Wild du Minnesota
5 187 500 $5 187 500 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
4 000 000 $4 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
10 500 000 $10 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 8
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
750 000 $750 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
863 333 $863 333 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
1 111 111 $1 111 111 $
G
UFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
675 000 $675 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
5 300 000 $5 300 000 $
AD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
775 000 $775 000 $
C, AG, AD
UFA - 2
Logo de Coyotes de l'Arizona
5 275 000 $5 275 000 $
AD
NMC
UFA - 2
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
767 500 $767 500 $ (Bonis de performance132 500 $$132K)
AG, AD
UFA - 1

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5 juin 2019 à 16 h 29
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What about trading him to a team with a solid young star in return that they can sign to cheaper? Raantanen, Werenski, etc.
5 juin 2019 à 16 h 31
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wanna know who's owed way less salary than Marleau? Like less than 20% of Marleau's money? Marian Hossa.
5 juin 2019 à 16 h 31
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Quoting: NicholasM2699
What about trading him to a team with a solid young star in return that they can sign to cheaper? Raantanen, Werenski, etc.


Haha yeah... https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1192184 I tried that already, did not get popular reviews by the CapFriendly faithful.
5 juin 2019 à 16 h 31
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It starts with 1st 2020
5 juin 2019 à 16 h 32
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
wanna know who's owed way less salary than Marleau? Like less than 20% of Marleau's money? Marian Hossa.


Fair enough, but at least Marleau can actually play. This applies the same logic as when the Blue Jackets traded Horton to the Leafs for Clarkson about 5 ish years ago. Both were bad contracts but at least Clarkson could physical suit up and play at the time.
5 juin 2019 à 16 h 32
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Quoting: Laudan
It starts with 1st 2020


I know, but only 2019, 2020, and 2021 are available on AGM for trading.
5 juin 2019 à 16 h 35
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
wanna know who's owed way less salary than Marleau? Like less than 20% of Marleau's money? Marian Hossa.


Also Hossa is owed 1 million in actual dollars for two more years (total of 2 million)
After July first Marleau is only owed 1.25 million actuall dollars, so they would save 750,000 in cash. Nice try tho.

Man every post on here you just hate on. No matter what. Look into it before you criticize.
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5 juin 2019 à 16 h 43
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Arizona is already well above the cap floor so that would not be a reason for them to take on the Marleau contract.
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Also Hossa is owed 1 million in actual dollars for two more years (total of 2 million)
After July first Marleau is only owed 1.25 million actuall dollars, so they would save 750,000 in cash. Nice try tho.

Man every post on here you just hate on. No matter what. Look into it before you criticize.


Hossa's contract is 80% insured. Yotes pay 200K per year. It was a good try, because I know what I'm talking about.
5 juin 2019 à 16 h 47
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How does LTIR work? Can you put Horton and Hossa on LTIR and save the full cap hit? If you can, why can't Arizona?
5 juin 2019 à 16 h 49
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How does LTIR work? Can you put Horton and Hossa on LTIR and save the full cap hit? If you can, why can't Arizona?


Arizona can, problem is they still have to pay those guys the actual money, it just doesn't count against the cap. And for a poor team like Arizona who doesn't spend money that's a problem. For rich teams like Toronto, Montreal, NYR, etc, it is not an issue.

For example Toronto would be comfortable spending 10 million on guys who don't play for their team, where as Arizona would not.
5 juin 2019 à 17 h 27
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Arizona can, problem is they still have to pay those guys the actual money, it just doesn't count against the cap. And for a poor team like Arizona who doesn't spend money that's a problem. For rich teams like Toronto, Montreal, NYR, etc, it is not an issue.

For example Toronto would be comfortable spending 10 million on guys who don't play for their team, where as Arizona would not.


The vast majority of nhl contracts are insured. Just like hossas
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
The vast majority of nhl contracts are insured. Just like hossas


Fair enough, my point that you quoted above still stands. Regardless wether its 5 million or 500,000 money is money, especially to cheap owners or teams with low budgets.
5 juin 2019 à 17 h 41
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Fair enough, my point that you quoted above still stands. Regardless wether its 5 million or 500,000 money is money, especially to cheap owners or teams with low budgets.


Hossa gets paid waaaaaay less than Marleau even after the bonus
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Hossa gets paid waaaaaay less than Marleau even after the bonus


Not talking about Hossa and Marleau anymore. It's a general example explaining the previously discussed point of why teams like Toronto are more comfortable with guys on LTIR than teams like Arizona typically are.
5 juin 2019 à 18 h 42
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this is a great thread dzad, thank you for stimulating my mind, others like to be cavemen and prefer not to philosophize the thoughts, umm 25....
I don't think it will ever happen, but it is something worth of thought rather than the other junk on here.
thanks again
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