I had done something similar a few weeks ago. I personally would like to see a Ehlers for Pesce trade straight up instead of Faulk +. Pesce could act as a direct replacement for Trouba as they play a similar game, and Pesce is locked up for another 5 more year at just over 4 million. The value I think is pretty close too.

As for the Detroit trade, yes I see Detroit as a possible trade partner, but I think the trade (with whatever team it ends up being), will be a 1st plus a roster player or good defense prospect. #6 OA is a steep ask, so I was thinking something in the 20-31 range +. Vesalainen is probably our top prospect, so I can't see Winnipeg wanting to move him in a Trouba deal, even though I think Winnipeg would pull the trigger on this, Detroit most likely wouldn't.

Trouba and Vesalainen for Athanasiou and a 1st ? That's it, I'm calling the cops.

Detroit declines again.

What do you consider fair value for Trouba?

A Montreal fan that understands player values? Could it be?

It's a rare thing ! Even though I'm wrong on 9 analysis out of 10.

Recently, the beat writers for DET and WPG on The Athletic proposed this as the deal:

DET sends the 35OA, Gustav Lindstrom, and a conditional 2019 2nd round pick (condition based on Trouba extending) and Mike Green retained at 50%.

WPG send Jacob Trouba.

That's pretty close to what TBL sent for McDonough, and they are similar players (obviously, that trade at Namestikov and Miller in it as well, so there were more bodies). You could also compare the Buffalo/ANA trade (Guhle and a late first in the 27-31 range for Montour), but Montour has a minimum of 3 years of control left at a very reasonable salary. Again, similar players.

I think what the beat writers proposed was very close to reality. WPG fans are valuing Trouba as a 1D, and he's a 2D at best, as his numbers have shown (sheltered minutes, a lot of PP points, 3rd most minutes of dmen on WPG). If Trouba had term left, you could push for a little more, but not a pending UFA.

I think Trouba is a level above Montour and McDonough, personally. And Mike Green? Seriously? That trade isn't even remotely close to Trouba's value.

Oh, and - Trouba plays the second hardest minutes of any Jets defender, behind only Josh Morrissey. So GTFO with your "sheltered" crap.

The Edmonton equivalent:

2019 2nd round pick
2020 2nd round pick *conditional on re-signing
Filip Berglund
Andre Sekera (50% retained)

That's laughable. I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Value wise around Mantha straight up, but it isn't just about value IMO. Where Detroit is at in their rebuild I don't think they should make any trades quite yet they are about 2 years from the playoffs and Detroit needs just about every thing but center right now. Detroit has some really good D prospects in a season or 2 we might not even need a defenseman. Since we aren't going to be that good in the next 2 seasons let our prospects grow some because by end of next season and into the 2020-21 season we will have a much clearer picture of what we need. So giving up multiple assets for Trouba a #2 defenseman who's production looks like a roller coaster doesn't make much sense to me. AA is more important to Detroit than the fans here realize Larkin and AA don't put up the numbers they did with out the other. They are both have the speed and offensive ability to be a threat every time they are on the ice no matter who is on their line. In the last 8 games of last season Mantha 8g + 7a for 15pts and so far he has 5g +4a for 9pts in 4 games at the worlds. So I can't see Detroit trading him this offseason. Hronek's p/60 numbers and metrics are almost identical to Trouba's. Plus this is Hronek's first seeing NHL minutes and it's Trouba's best season production wise. I mentioned those 3 players because they are the players I see most in Trouba trades. I'd trade Trouba 2 of the following players Saarijarvi, Hicketts, Turgeon, Pope, Kuffner and maybe Rasmussen! But with those players I doubt a deal could be made that would make Winnipeg happy. I also don't think your going to get that much for what is a basically a rental.

But will Green waive for Winnipeg?

Trouba already said that he wants to play in America, so there won't be an extension with EDM.

Also, 2 picks in 2019 are worth more than a pick in 2019 and a pick in 2020.

I love with numbers actually prove the eyeball test wrong. Trouba had a 51/49 Ozone/Dzone start split (so, not known for his defense) with a 49% Corsi (given up more chances that generating) and a PDO of 101 (more luck involved in his numbers than direct correlation). He has a slightly negative Fenwick (which means he's on the ice for more shots against than shots for), and less than half his points are primary points (goals and 1st assists). 1/3 of his points are PP points, which accounts for his offensive explosion this year. If you take out this year, his numbers are almost identical to Jonas Brodin, who plays on a much worse team (both offensively and defensively). Finally, he's only played a full season twice in his career.

None of these numbers, which GMs will use to make the trade, scream 1D and worthly of unloading a bunch of quality back the other way. Then factor in the UFA and you'll have to pay him 7.5mmx6-8 years, and it shrinks his value even more (btw: The fact that everyone is predicting 7.5-8mm and not 10-11mm should also be another indicator of value).

I was putting it into EDM terms because that's the team I follow, I'm not suggesting Edmonton acquire him. Secondly, you'll need to provide a link to the interview where Trouba stated unequivocally that he won't sign with a Canadian team. Thirdly, Trouba is an RFA and MUST play for whichever team qualifies him.



LOL, nope. The other picks Detroit have to offer are NYI (#57) and SJS (#61). No way is Edmonton going that far in the playoffs next year.

Bottom line: he's worth WAY more than the meager trade you suggested, even as a 1-year rental.

http://puckiq.com/teams/wpg?season=20182019&tier=Elite&positions=d&min_toi=&max_toi=

These two statements don't add up. Either he's a 1RD and deserves to be paid as such, or he isn't and won't be paid as such. Which is it?

Where is Vesalainen? Played 5 games in Winnipeg then took off for the KHL.

Am I supposed to know the answer to this question? I said in the description that I don't follow any of these teams... or did you not read the description?

First I believe I was responding to john_michael's post and not you.

Second Vesalainen was what you offered with Trouba for AA and the #6OA pick. I'm pretty sure You should at least know that and since you don't know about these teams then it kind of makes your entire argument meaningless.

You quoted my post. I know they reassigned Vesa to KHL on November 22, 2018, if there's more to the story I'm not the guy to ask.

Yes I did and I apologize.

Hronek+2nd But i still doubt Yzerman would do it.

I highly doubt Detroit trades their #6 OA, but if they did they could do much worse than Jacob Trouba as the return. I feel like Trouba has more value than the pick though,
Detroit declines without even a counter offer to that non-sense. Trouba is a 1 year rental (he's an UFA in 2020). He will not fetch what Karlsson did (one depth roster player, three prospects, two picks and the potential for two more picks. The picks are 2019 2nd round (SJS)--way at the bottom of the round and the 2020 1st round pick likely is in the bottom 1/3 of the round too. If Karlsson re-signs they get another and if he bolts for the Eastern Conference they get another as well.

Why do Jets fans think Trouba is going to fetch a windfall?

Trouba wants to go to Detroit. All Detroit has to do is to sign him to a one year deal that you will match, and he'll be an UFA next season.

I can see you trading Trouba for a 2nd rounder and a defenseman not named Cholowski, McIsaac or Hronek. Maybe another pick on top of that, but not a first round pick.