SalarySwishSalarySwish
Forums/NHL Signings

Dallas Stars signed Esa Lindell (6 Years / $5,800,000 AAV)

Was this a good signing?
Le graphique a été masqué

Options de sondage


16 mai 2019 à 11 h 11
#1
Esa Lindell has signed a new contract with the Dallas Stars.
Contrat standard (prolongation)
Contrats comparablesCOMPARER CE CONTRAT
SIGNÉ PAR: Jim Nill
Durée: 6 ans
Valeur: 34 800 000 $
Statut à l’échéance du contrat: UFA
% Cap Info-bulle: 7,30
Contrat signé avec: Logo de Stars de DallasStars de Dallas
Date de signature: 16 mai 2019
Source: @CapFriendly

Esa Lindell a signé un contrat de 6 ans d'une valeur de 34 800 000 $ avec les Stars de Dallas, le 16 mai 2019. Le contrat comporte un cap hit de 5 800 000 $.

SAISONClauseCap hitInfo-bulleAAV Info-bulleBonis de performanceInfo-bulleBonis de signatureInfo-bulleSalaire de baseInfo-bulleSalaire totalInfo-bulleSalaire mineuresInfo-bulle
2019-205 800 000 $5 800 000 $0 $1 000 000 $6 000 000 $7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
2020-215 800 000 $5 800 000 $0 $0 $4 800 000 $4 800 000 $4 800 000 $
2021-22NMC5 800 000 $5 800 000 $0 $2 000 000 $5 000 000 $7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
2022-23NMC5 800 000 $5 800 000 $0 $1 000 000 $5 000 000 $6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
2023-24NMC5 800 000 $5 800 000 $0 $0 $5 000 000 $5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
2024-25NMC5 800 000 $5 800 000 $0 $0 $5 000 000 $5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
TOTAL34 800 000 $34 800 000 $0 $4 000 000 $30 800 000 $34 800 000 $34 800 000 $
SOURCE: @CapFriendly
16 mai 2019 à 11 h 23
#2
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: mars 2018
Messages: 9,352
Mentions "j'aime": 2,738
This is a very solid contract for Dallas, with how well he played this is an amazing contract for them, cheap and long-term.
AwesomeMatthews et KubaH a aimé ceci.
16 mai 2019 à 11 h 46
#3
Just Keep Swimming
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: juin 2018
Messages: 9,193
Mentions "j'aime": 5,554
Keep an eye on this one. Underlying numbers look a lot like Nikita zaitzev's. This has the potential to look awful very fast.
It could also be a meh signing (AAV wise) for a top4 dman if his play stays or improves.

Tl;dr keep an eye on it
bixyboii, Propeller09, Zubrowka and 1 other person a aimé ceci.
16 mai 2019 à 11 h 54
#4
Go Jets Go
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: mars 2018
Messages: 5,407
Mentions "j'aime": 4,143
I think that this is a GREAT deal for Dallas.
16 mai 2019 à 11 h 59
#5
Hop on the Slaftrain
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: févr. 2019
Messages: 16,131
Mentions "j'aime": 20,442
Quoting: Random2152
Keep an eye on this one. Underlying numbers look a lot like Nikita zaitzev's. This has the potential to look awful very fast.
It could also be a meh signing (AAV wise) for a top4 dman if his play stays or improves.

Tl;dr keep an eye on it


Agree i guess its the same for Nate Schmidt who signed a pretty similar deal
bixyboii a aimé ceci.
16 mai 2019 à 12 h 17
#6
Black Lives Matter
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: mars 2017
Messages: 29,915
Mentions "j'aime": 4,649
Quoting: SevenLeg
Agree i guess its the same for Nate Schmidt who signed a pretty similar deal


Schmidt's been better than Zaitsev.
bixyboii, exo2769 et KubaH a aimé ceci.
16 mai 2019 à 12 h 25
#7
AwesomeMatthews
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: mai 2018
Messages: 1,381
Mentions "j'aime": 1,013
Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
This is a very solid contract for Dallas, with how well he played this is an amazing contract for them, cheap and long-term.


well payed for a break out season
Shylo_Moxii et Zubrowka a aimé ceci.
16 mai 2019 à 12 h 30
#8
Below Market Value
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: nov. 2015
Messages: 1,426
Mentions "j'aime": 1,324
Quoting: Random2152
Keep an eye on this one. Underlying numbers look a lot like Nikita zaitzev's. This has the potential to look awful very fast.
It could also be a meh signing (AAV wise) for a top4 dman if his play stays or improves.

Tl;dr keep an eye on it


The biggest difference is that Zaitsev's was signed after one season of NHL play, whereas Lindell has a three season track record.
rangersandislesfan, CFMan, exo2769 and 3 others a aimé ceci.
16 mai 2019 à 12 h 35
#9
Banni
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: mai 2018
Messages: 9,721
Mentions "j'aime": 2,805
Too much money. Good term.
16 mai 2019 à 12 h 52
#10
Just Keep Swimming
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: juin 2018
Messages: 9,193
Mentions "j'aime": 5,554
Quoting: DoctorBreakfast
The biggest difference is that Zaitsev's was signed after one season of NHL play, whereas Lindell has a three season track record.


I will agree that certainly helps (and likely partially accounts for the aav difference), but even career numbers look... Not great. Ill start with Zaitsev's good year on its own so you can see where he was when he signed. The rest will be 1-1 comparisons.
In order:
Zaitsev 2016-17
Zaitsev v Lindell 2018-19
Zaitsev v Lindell 2016-2019
Zaitsev v Lindell PP 2018-19 > just note that Zaitzev played 6 minutes on the PP this year, so the numbers can vary wildly from play
Zaitsev v Lindell PP 2016-19
D5M1i3jU8AE5boz.png
D6tAJ1PXoAYxuaB.png
D6tAJ1WXoAAeTPT.png
D6tAJ1gW0AAOam-.png
D6tAJ1sXsAAHvz-.png
ConnorMcHellebucyk, rebecca, Zubrowka and 1 other person a aimé ceci.
16 mai 2019 à 12 h 53
#11
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: déc. 2017
Messages: 5,012
Mentions "j'aime": 3,523
This is the new reality. Top 4 Defensemen are going to get overpaid. Demand is high and Lindell is solid.
16 mai 2019 à 12 h 59
#12
Chewbacca88
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: sept. 2018
Messages: 1,184
Mentions "j'aime": 114
This is a horrible deal for a professional diver.
Rom, Propeller09, Club_de_Hockey_le_Canadien and 4 others a aimé ceci.
16 mai 2019 à 13 h 30
#13
hey look a squirrel
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: mai 2018
Messages: 6,036
Mentions "j'aime": 3,744
I think this might end up being too big of deal award too soon, time will tell though.
Caufzi a aimé ceci.
16 mai 2019 à 13 h 32
#14
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: déc. 2017
Messages: 698
Mentions "j'aime": 679
Re: Zaitsev-comparisons:

One thing that has destroyed Zaitsev's numbers has been his deployment. Babcock deploys him like he's a defensive, stay-at-home anchor, when he should be a two-way guy. The year he was used more loosely both ways and got pp time he was solid enough.
rebecca a aimé ceci.
16 mai 2019 à 13 h 45
#15
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: mai 2019
Messages: 11
Mentions "j'aime": 24
Great deal for Dallas. 32 points and best +/- out of their d-men. Even though he had 65% dzone starts. Klingberg had 56% ozone starts and was +6
16 mai 2019 à 13 h 45
#16
Number 1 Kahun Fan
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: avr. 2017
Messages: 1,598
Mentions "j'aime": 1,010
Little bit of an overpay but doesnt mean hes a bad player. Something between 4-5 million would have been more reasonable.
16 mai 2019 à 13 h 49
#17
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: juin 2016
Messages: 2,851
Mentions "j'aime": 639
Klingberg and Heiskenan are very happy right now... Well, Heiskanen is, Klingberg probably not too happy.
16 mai 2019 à 14 h 8
#18
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: nov. 2017
Messages: 160
Mentions "j'aime": 19
This certainly isn't an underpay. Could be a decent deal though
16 mai 2019 à 14 h 31
#19
i hope ur hungry now
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: oct. 2017
Messages: 2,411
Mentions "j'aime": 978
Quoting: Random2152
I will agree that certainly helps (and likely partially accounts for the aav difference), but even career numbers look... Not great. Ill start with Zaitsev's good year on its own so you can see where he was when he signed. The rest will be 1-1 comparisons.
In order:
Zaitsev 2016-17
Zaitsev v Lindell 2018-19
Zaitsev v Lindell 2016-2019
Zaitsev v Lindell PP 2018-19 > just note that Zaitzev played 6 minutes on the PP this year, so the numbers can vary wildly from play
Zaitsev v Lindell PP 2016-19
D5M1i3jU8AE5boz.png
D6tAJ1PXoAYxuaB.png
D6tAJ1WXoAAeTPT.png
D6tAJ1gW0AAOam-.png
D6tAJ1sXsAAHvz-.png


Quoting: Random2152
I will agree that certainly helps (and likely partially accounts for the aav difference), but even career numbers look... Not great. Ill start with Zaitsev's good year on its own so you can see where he was when he signed. The rest will be 1-1 comparisons.
In order:
Zaitsev 2016-17
Zaitsev v Lindell 2018-19
Zaitsev v Lindell 2016-2019
Zaitsev v Lindell PP 2018-19 > just note that Zaitzev played 6 minutes on the PP this year, so the numbers can vary wildly from play
Zaitsev v Lindell PP 2016-19
D5M1i3jU8AE5boz.png
D6tAJ1PXoAYxuaB.png
D6tAJ1WXoAAeTPT.png
D6tAJ1gW0AAOam-.png
D6tAJ1sXsAAHvz-.png


Where do you find this site
16 mai 2019 à 14 h 32
#20
Just Keep Swimming
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: juin 2018
Messages: 9,193
Mentions "j'aime": 5,554
Quoting: kaljakori
Re: Zaitsev-comparisons:

One thing that has destroyed Zaitsev's numbers has been his deployment. Babcock deploys him like he's a defensive, stay-at-home anchor, when he should be a two-way guy. The year he was used more loosely both ways and got pp time he was solid enough.


The problem with this idea is that Zaitsev IS good defensively when he doesn't have the puck. He makes good decisions in the corners and can make great moves to break up a rush. His biggest problem is decision making WITH the puck. As soon as he gets it he just throws it down the ice. EVERY DAMN TIME.
So yes it is a utilisation problem to some extent and I do believe he will do well in another teams system, but the problem isn't the one you outlined.
16 mai 2019 à 14 h 32
#21
exo2769
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: juill. 2015
Messages: 15,536
Mentions "j'aime": 9,582
Quoting: SpaghettiPasta
Where do you find this site


Immediately above where you write "Where do you find this site" it says Evolving-Hockey.com wink
16 mai 2019 à 14 h 34
#22
Just Keep Swimming
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: juin 2018
Messages: 9,193
Mentions "j'aime": 5,554
Quoting: SpaghettiPasta
Where do you find this site


Says it right at the bottom of each chart.
Evolving Hockey
16 mai 2019 à 15 h 56
#23
Buljujarvi
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: juill. 2018
Messages: 4,209
Mentions "j'aime": 2,552
Bargain two or so years down the road
16 mai 2019 à 16 h 41
#24
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: janv. 2017
Messages: 6,470
Mentions "j'aime": 1,982
Is that 100k for every dive he takes?

In all seriousness, if he can build upon this year it will be a good contract. He's almost as good as Parayko from the left side.
16 mai 2019 à 16 h 42
#25
Not yet trannycided
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: févr. 2017
Messages: 6,607
Mentions "j'aime": 2,012
Lindell is really, really bad in a vacuum. He's got strong chemistry with John Klingberg, but with anybody else on the right side, he's completely useless. His stretch from November-December without Klinger was one of the worst months of hockey I've ever seen from any player. Lindell is the very definition of a passenger. Away from Klinger, he's about as good as Roman Polak. Seriously.
GenXHockey a aimé ceci.
 
Répondre
To create a post please Login or S'inscrire
Question:
Options:
Chargement de l'animation
Soumettre les modifications du sondage