Reluctantly Moving Nylander

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Créé par: RinksideOps

Équipe: 2019-20 Maple Leafs de Toronto

Date de création initiale: 1 avr. 2019

Publié: 17 avr. 2019

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

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Well, since Dubas doesn't know how to negotiate, Marner is probably going to get close to Matthews money. I usually don't like making big moves, but I had no other choice. This is the most tame solution I could come up with:

Nylander Trade:
This trade saves the team almost $3M, and seems pretty fair. Pesce is a great shutdown defensemen who used to be on the top line in CAR until Hamilton came in. Nylander still has the potential to be a top-line winger, but after this season he seems to be destined for a middle-6 role. The additional picks are mostly based on this year's performance, but are ultimately subject to how well Dubas does at convincing Waddell of Nylander's potential.

Brown Trade:
At his peak, I think Brown could've gone for more, but I don't know if any team is going to pay more than a 3rd (maybe 2nd?) for a 4th liner (don't tell that to Brian Boyle). Oilers were already looking at Brown at the trade deadline, and since he has chemistry from playing with McDavid in junior, I think it could be a great, cheap fit for them.

Signings:
Kapanen and Johnsson are definitely underpaid, especially at the rate Dubas is handing out contracts, but they are only 1 year deals just to get past the Marleau contract. I think the guys might bite since they'll have one more year to improve before they sign their (more lucrative) long-term deals.

Tyler Ennis has been great on the 4th line, and he really likes it here. He already took one discount to be with the Leafs' medical staff and is still getting his buyout money, so I don't see why he wouldn't take another cheap deal.

Let me know what you guys think.

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Marner, Mitchell	7	11 000 000 $
Johnsson, Andreas	1	3 250 000 $
Kapanen, Kasperi	1	3 250 000 $

UFA		ANS	CAP HIT
Ennis, Tyler		1	700 000 $

Transactions

TOR

Pesce, Brett
Choix de 6e ronde en 2019 (CAR)

CAR

Nylander, William
Choix de 4e ronde en 2019 (TOR)

TOR

Choix de 3e ronde en 2020 (EDM)

EDM

Brown, Connor

Rachats de contrats

Mikhail Grabovski: 0 $

Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire

Phil Kessel: 1 200 000 $ (15%)

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2019
2020
2021

FORMATION

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INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
21	83 000 000 $	77 272 333 $	0 $	0 $	5 727 667 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Hyman, Zach 2 250 000 $2 250 000 $ AD, AG M-NTC UFA - 2	Tavares, John 11 000 000 $11 000 000 $ C, AG NMC UFA - 6	Marner, Mitchell 11 000 000 $11 000 000 $ AD UFA - 6
Johnsson, Andreas 3 250 000 $3 250 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 4	Matthews, Auston 11 634 000 $11 634 000 $ C UFA - 5	Kapanen, Kasperi 3 250 000 $3 250 000 $ AD UFA - 3
Marleau, Patrick 700 000 $700 000 $ AG, C UFA - 1	Kadri, Nazem 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ C M-NTC UFA - 3	Moore, Trevor 775 000 $775 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2
Petan, Nicolas 775 000 $775 000 $ C, AG, AD UFA - 2	Gauthier, Frédérik 675 000 $675 000 $ C UFA - 1	Ennis, Tyler 700 000 $700 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Rielly, Morgan 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ DG UFA - 3	Pesce, Brett 4 025 000 $4 025 000 $ DD UFA - 5	Andersen, Frederik 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ G M-NTC UFA - 2
Muzzin, Jake 4 000 000 $4 000 000 $ DG UFA - 1	Zaitsev, Nikita 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 5
	Rosén, Calle 750 000 $750 000 $ DG UFA - 2	Sparks, Garret 750 000 $750 000 $ G UFA - 1
Dermott, Travis 863 333 $863 333 $ DG/DD UFA - 1

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Holl, Justin 675 000 $675 000 $ DD UFA - 1		Horton, Nathan 5 300 000 $5 300 000 $ AD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 1

17 avr. 2019 à 15 h 9

DirtyDangles

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If CAR wanted to do this, I believe they would have already before the TDL. I think they value Pesce much more than Nylander and I have to agree.

17 avr. 2019 à 15 h 18

BobrovTree

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Ah this is why you're not a GM

17 avr. 2019 à 15 h 18

OldNYIfan

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I think that it's a good possibility that the off-season looks like this. I would be talking about slightly different amounts, but then we'd be discussing speculations. I think other rational Leafs fans are going to agree with you, at least in principle.

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17 avr. 2019 à 15 h 20

RinksideOps

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Quoting: BobrovTree

Ah this is why you're not a GM

Can you clarify?

17 avr. 2019 à 15 h 23

RinksideOps

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Quoting: DirtyDangles

If CAR wanted to do this, I believe they would have already before the TDL. I think they value Pesce much more than Nylander and I have to agree.

Dubas said he wanted to give this group a shot, so he didn't want to move anyone out at the deadline. He might be willing to do something after the season. I do agree that Pesce is better right now, but I think Dubas can sell him on his potential. After seeing what happened with the Skinner trade, I think Waddell might be easier to convince than you might expect.

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17 avr. 2019 à 15 h 25

DirtyDangles

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Quoting: RinksideOps

Dubas also said that as long as he is in TOR he won't move Nylander.

17 avr. 2019 à 15 h 26

Cardiak

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Quoting: RinksideOps

Can you clarify?

1) Marner is making more than Matthews to start
2) brown can fetch a middle round second
3) you think Carolina would do that after the year nylander had and the year peace had
4) Even if kapanen or johnsson were to sign one year deals, it would be for less money
5) Lijernen isn’t on the defensive line at all

17 avr. 2019 à 15 h 28

RinksideOps

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Quoting: OldNYIfan

Exactly. I just kinda threw out estimates for the contracts and picks traded to show the general premise, since an extra few hundred thousand or moving a 3rd to a 2nd doesn't affect the deals too much. Just out of curiosity, what values were you thinking?

17 avr. 2019 à 15 h 30

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Quoting: DirtyDangles

Dubas also said that as long as he is in TOR he won't move Nylander.

I know, but at some point you are there to do what's best for the team, and the fact that he considered it before might indicate that he might break his promise, but I guess we'll see.

17 avr. 2019 à 15 h 39

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Quoting: Hurricanes73

1) I agree that he's the better player, but I think they can leverage the fact that Matthews scores more goals and that Marner is benefiting by playing with Tavares.
2) Yeah I was debating that, but I was hesitant considering his performance this year.
3) Yes. Nylander had a terrible start but got hot down the stretch, so Dubas might be able to sell on that. Also, Waddell doesn't have the best trade history, so I think he might under-value Pesce.
4) I'm not sure about that. Young RFAs have been getting paid a lot recently, and Dubas is right in the middle of that.
5) I think Rosen is ahead of Liljegren in the depth chart, and I think the team would rather have him play top line in the AHL than be a 7th D on the Leafs. If they don't make the Pesce trade then in that case I think he makes it.

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17 avr. 2019 à 15 h 43

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Quoting: RinksideOps

I think the kids make $7M between them somehow, but for two-year deals, and Ennis gets close to a million. And I hold out hope that Marner doesn't go above $10M. I'm probably wrong there.

Don't forget about Gordeev and Joshua.

17 avr. 2019 à 15 h 53

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Quoting: OldNYIfan

WE NEED FEDOR GORDEEV

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17 avr. 2019 à 16 h 55

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Quoting: RinksideOps

I know, but at some point you are there to do what's best for the team, and the fact that he considered it before might indicate that he might break his promise, but I guess we'll see.

I bet Dubas wishes he could walk that comment back. I'm sure when he said it the Leafs had a plan and budget that kept them all together moving forward. And they very well could still have a plan that makes that possible (cough* Marleau retires, Brown for a pick * cough) but with the year that the remaining RFAs had, I think that original plan could be out the window.. Marner, Kap and Johnsson all kinda outdid themselves this year.. which is a good thing!

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17 avr. 2019 à 17 h 38

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I don't why your post said "Reluctantly moving Nylander". It should be the first priority. After for cap reasons he has to be traded with no NHL cap in return, So no dreaming of Pesce or an NHL calibre Dman in return for Nylander, which after this season is a dream anyway. Why should Johnsson and Kapanen wait to paid, just because the Leafs have overpaid other players. Pay Johnsson and Kapanen a bit more on long term deals.

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17 avr. 2019 à 17 h 41

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Quoting: DirtyDangles

Dubas also said that as long as he is in TOR he won't move Nylander.

I believe the quote was he "didn't intend to move Nylander". So while that still may be the "intent", reality will set in. What else would a GM say at a press conference?
Don't GMs say, "The coach won't be fired", or we intent to resign this player" or we aren't trading this player." Don't know why Dubas is held to different standard than 100 years of NHL GMs, who have their fingers crossed at press conferences.

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17 avr. 2019 à 18 h 10

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Modifié 17 avr. 2019 à 18 h 19

Its kinda funny how we are building two camps here in TML base curently : pro- and anti-Nylander.

After Matthews contract fiasco, I deeply hope Dubarelli will be able to pull out four bridges for those remaining RFAs.

Marner 2 X 7,5M ( i believe as in non-NHL world also here pre-aneks to main contract exist...so they sign 6 x 12M on the same day for 2021/2022 Season to hit it ), which would actually be way above Kutcherov bridge contract

Kapanen 1 x 2,9M - which also is quite high bridge deal on top of 9 + 44

Johnsson 1 x 2,9M - same as above for 3 + 43

Ozhiganov 1 x 925k

I still think it should be aging Kadri on the way out.

17 avr. 2019 à 18 h 25

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Quoting: DirtyDangles

If CAR wanted to do this, I believe they would have already before the TDL. I think they value Pesce much more than Nylander and I have to agree.

I think Carolina would and should do this

As much as I love Pesce, he is #3 behind Slavin and Hamilton

Nylander is worth it for us

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17 avr. 2019 à 18 h 25

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Quoting: Laudan

Its kinda funny how we are building two camps here in TML base curently : pro- and anti-Nylander.

You may right about the two camps. But maybe it isn't so much anti Nylander it's anti Nylander contract. And with the current cap situation, I would rather lose Nylander than Kapanen. If the Leafs had cap flexibility we could swallow Nylander's contract next season. Just don't think it can be done.
To me those the Nylander and Matthews contracts were definite overpays be the Leaf. Now the Leafs have Dubas and host of executives behind the decision making of awarding those contracts. You have to think they knew what doing and it would be long term good for the Leafs. But right now me (and the "anti Nylanders") don't understand it.

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17 avr. 2019 à 18 h 49

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Quoting: palhal

To me those the Nylander and Matthews contracts were definite overpays be the Leaf. Now the Leafs have Dubas and host of executives behind the decision making of awarding those contracts. You have to think they knew what doing and it would be long term good for the Leafs. But right now me (and the "anti Nylanders") don't understand it.

We are on same page here from the very signing.....was rediculed by many when claiming Matthews is huge overpayment ( Nylanders 600k i can still swallow ).

Its sad to see how "building dynasty" can be screwed with a single move by another Bowman / Chiarelli type of genius.

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