How good is Brannstrom? I know he's good but it doesn't look like enough for Stone. Maybe i'm undervaluing Brannstrom though.
But it's trade value. Really the trade is the remaining 2018/19 season of Stone for starting next year six years of Brannstrom.(whatever that might be) The extension has really has nothing to do with the trade value. It's actually an old time classic trade. A contender is trading for NOW, a poor team is trading for the future.
If Vegas loses in the first to round, then it is a good trade for Vegas? They could have signed Stone as a UFA in the summer or spend that 9.5m on another UFA.
But it's trade value. Really the trade is the remaining 2018/19 season of Stone for starting next year six years of Brannstrom.(whatever that might be) The extension has really has nothing to do with the trade value. It's actually an old time classic trade. A contender is trading for NOW, a poor team is trading for the future.
If Vegas loses in the first to round, then it is a good trade for Vegas? They could have signed Stone as a UFA in the summer or spend that 9.5m on another UFA.
I doubt Stone would have signed in Vegas as a UFA if he wasn't traded there.
Could be wrong .... be there's no guarantee .... however, the trade guaranteed Vegas 8+ years of Stone.
So obviously that should be considered when evaluating Ottawa's return .... which wasn't much for a 26 year old PPG + Selke caliber NHL winger.
The other thing Ottawa has for few years if they decide to use it is cap space. The Leafs in their rebuilt actually took on some bad money short term.
That's a good way to get mid to late draft picks and young depth prospects.
But it's not going to get you a star player unless you get extremely lucky.
The other question is whether Eugene Melnyk is willing to take on bad contracts in order to get assets.
I'm doubtful unless their on LTIR and insured .... but insured LTIR contracts won't get Ottawa much assets (plenty of non-cap teams would be willing to take them on too).
I think the D-man Vegas trade is too small to make it in West at his position... So getting Stone was a win but paying him 9.5M is probably a net loss... AS team is in cap trouble likely to never make playoffs again having 5-6 left shot D-man who are all inferior to Miller who had term/talent w/ a better cap hit than any of their D-men for the value they bring... Senators I think won overall trading away trash players who wanted too much money but will squander it anyways ...
At the time I figured Ottawa could develop for half a ****. Not my fault they decided to play 35 YO depth defensemen over him and let him rot on the bench.
Brannstrom was at one point a top 5 defensive prospect in the leaguec
At the time I figured Ottawa could develop for half a ****. Not my fault they decided to play 35 YO depth defensemen over him and let him rot on the bench.
Brannstrom was at one point a top 5 defensive prospect in the leaguec
At the time I figured Ottawa could develop for half a ****. Not my fault they decided to play 35 YO depth defensemen over him and let him rot on the bench.
Brannstrom was at one point a top 5 defensive prospect in the leaguec
I think this might be the worst trade of the Dorion era, right?
To be fair, this was the worst team in the league trading a guy who was about to leave as a UFA, an asset that was worth nothing to them other than whatever they could get back in a trade. Judging Ottawa by comparing the return with Stone doesn't make sense, because keeping Stone was not a reasonable option for them. The only way to judge it is whether they should have been able to get a better return.
We'll probably never know what offers they got from other teams, but I think we can assume that when negotiating with Vegas, they specifically targeted Brannstrom. I remember he was a pretty highly rated prospect at the time. He was drafted 15th overall in 2017, and by February 2019 his stock had not fallen. If anything it may have risen. They probably could have convinced Vegas to give them their 2019 1st-round pick instead, which was 17th overall, so you can certainly argue that they should have done that (Vegas took Peyton Krebs -- we don't know who Ottawa would have taken), but I can see the logic in wanting a guy who was rated just as highly but two years farther along in his development.
Ottawa got a little unlucky on the 2nd-round pick too. Dallas went to the finals in 2020, so they had the 2nd-last pick of each round. They probably didn't expect that at the time of the trade. Even asking for the better of the two 2020 2nd-round picks Vegas owned would have moved them up only one place.