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Équipe: 2018-19 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 14 févr. 2019
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  1. Gudas, Radko
  2. Simmonds, Wayne
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2019 (PHI)
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  1. Borgman, Andreas
  2. Brown, Connor
  3. Hainsey, Ron
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14 févr. 2019 à 16 h 10
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Babs would slaughter Dubas if he traded his favorite toys away (Hainsey Brown) lol.

Love the trade tho
14 févr. 2019 à 16 h 11
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Ideal for Philly. Why not see if we can get Polak from Dallas instead.
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14 févr. 2019 à 16 h 12
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Babs would slaughter Dubas if he traded his favorite toys away (Hainsey Brown) lol.

Love the trade tho


It would really improve the team and brown has really dropped off he’s not the player he was two years ago and hainsey and expiring contract would be what philly wants so they don’t have to deal with his $3 million for long
14 févr. 2019 à 16 h 13
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Ideal for Philly. Why not see if we can get Polak from Dallas instead.


Polka is alright but gudas is better and if u package him with Simmond’s we can probably steal them without giving up as much as when u get them separately
14 févr. 2019 à 16 h 15
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Babs would slaughter Dubas if he traded his favorite toys away (Hainsey Brown) lol.

Love the trade tho


No offence, but are you dumb? You just said on my post that Gudas is only worth a 2nd, so you're saying that getting Simmonds as a pure rental is worth a 1st, Brown, Borgman and Hainsey? Not to mention that this deal puts the Leafs under the needed $3.75M in cap space needed for bonuses to not roll over to next year. When I had Toronto giving up less, getting out of Zaitsev's term of contract, and keeping the space needed for bonuses. LOL
14 févr. 2019 à 16 h 17
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thats a no from Toronto. They already said they're not moving their future 1st round pick for a rental, and they also need to keep $3.75M in cap space this year to cover bonuses so they don't roll over into next season.
14 févr. 2019 à 16 h 23
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No offence, but are you dumb? You just said on my post that Gudas is only worth a 2nd, so you're saying that getting Simmonds as a pure rental is worth a 1st, Brown, Borgman and Hainsey? Not to mention that this deal puts the Leafs under the needed $3.75M in cap space needed for bonuses to not roll over to next year. When I had Toronto giving up less, getting out of Zaitsev's term of contract, and keeping the space needed for bonuses. LOL


Well Simmonds is about 8 times the player Gudas is... Gudas is literally Roman Polak. Did you already forget how painful he was to watch out there?
14 févr. 2019 à 16 h 24
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thats a no from Toronto. They already said they're not moving their future 1st round pick for a rental, and they also need to keep $3.75M in cap space this year to cover bonuses so they don't roll over into next season.


This is a good trade brown is gonna be stuck on fourth line so u need him gone now or in the off season Borgman is worth about a fourth pushing to a third but not quite there hainsey is just a salary dump that the flyers would be fine with taking on and the first and second are to add to the trade simmonds is not worth much if he leafs play the cards right simmonds will stay for $3.5 million to $4 million aav just trade nylander and gudas in offseason for salary dump purposes and get a better right shot d who makes about $4 million in cap ie Carolina’s pesce in that trade you can also get a 2021 first rounder and a 2020 second to get those picks back and they will be higher in the draft because Carolina is not a contender I did that trade casue it makes sense for short term and potential cup champion caliber trades in the offseason I thought ahead clearly you didn’t just think about it Carolina needs goal scoring not d but giving them gudas and nylander for picks and 1 d man would surely help Carolina’s rebuild and help them contend 2-3 years down the road
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14 févr. 2019 à 16 h 26
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Well Simmonds is about 8 times the player Gudas is... Gudas is literally Roman Polak. Did you already forget how painful he was to watch out there?


You can't compare Simmonds to Gudas, they're different positions, and would have different value. & the fact that Toronto has already said they won't give up a future 1st rounder for a rental, kinda makes it not likely they'd give up a 1st + other assets for SImmonds (who is exactly that). Gudas can actually skate better than Polak. He'd fit in better than Polak did in Toronto and can still play the same role, but actually be able to skate with the team.
14 févr. 2019 à 16 h 29
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You can't compare Simmonds to Gudas, they're different positions, and would have different value. & the fact that Toronto has already said they won't give up a future 1st rounder for a rental, kinda makes it not likely they'd give up a 1st + other assets for SImmonds (who is exactly that). Gudas can actually skate better than Polak. He'd fit in better than Polak did in Toronto and can still play the same role, but actually be able to skate with the team.


You can compare anyone to anyone. thats how trades work, you compare. Is this worth more than this? thats how a good or bad trade is decided. I could compare Gudas to an apple if i wanted. That argument made no sense. Simmonds adds 8x the value that Gudas does. dO yOu UnDErsTaNd NoW???
14 févr. 2019 à 16 h 35
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This is a good trade brown is gonna be stuck on fourth line so u need him gone now or in the off season Borgman is worth about a fourth pushing to a third but not quite there hainsey is just a salary dump that the flyers would be fine with taking on and the first and second are to add to the trade simmonds is not worth much if he leafs play the cards right simmonds will stay for $3.5 million to $4 million aav just trade nylander and gudas in offseason for salary dump purposes and get a better right shot d who makes about $4 million in cap ie Carolina’s pesce in that trade you can also get a 2021 first rounder and a 2020 second to get those picks back and they will be higher in the draft because Carolina is not a contender I did that trade casue it makes sense for short term and potential cup champion caliber trades in the offseason I thought ahead clearly you didn’t just think about it Carolina needs goal scoring not d but giving them gudas and nylander for picks and 1 d man would surely help Carolina’s rebuild and help them contend 2-3 years down the road


Nope. None of that is true actually. Toronto has already stated they're not giving up a future 1st for a rental, Simmonds is a pure rental. Once he hits free agency, he'll get $7M+ on a long term deal. There's no way he's taking THAT much of a pay cut to stay in Toronto. Toronto is already working getting Gardiner to take a cut to stay long term, Simmonds won't be affordable and it makes no sense at all to give up a 1st + other assets for him. & again you're wrong about Brown. It's not for sure that he's gone either. That's dependant on other moves to be made, but Brown can certainly get a more useful player that has term and team control back if they trade him in the summer, rather than waste his value on a rental. & the Leafs aren't trading Nylander for Pesce. IF they wanted to do that, they coulda done it when Nylander didn't have a contract and Carolina constantly kept asking for Nylander. & whatever move could be made for Nylander for a top 4 defensemen, there's no guarantee they get a 1st round pick back in that deal. Top 4 right handed defensemen are hare to find, wingers aren't. Any team would argue that and most likely not give up a 1st + a top 4 RHD for Nylander.

& Also as I've said, your scenario puts Toronto under the $3.75M cap space needed in this seasons cap to pay for bonuses. If they don't have that left at the end of the season, bonuses role over into next seasons cap and limit how much they can give their RFA's this offseason.

Guaranteed no from Toronto. It affects them too much negative in the long term.
14 févr. 2019 à 16 h 36
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You can compare anyone to anyone. thats how trades work, you compare. Is this worth more than this? thats how a good or bad trade is decided. I could compare Gudas to an apple if i wanted. That argument made no sense. Simmonds adds 8x the value that Gudas does. dO yOu UnDErsTaNd NoW???


LOL you are dumb.
14 févr. 2019 à 16 h 40
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Nope. None of that is true actually. Toronto has already stated they're not giving up a future 1st for a rental, Simmonds is a pure rental. Once he hits free agency, he'll get $7M+ on a long term deal. There's no way he's taking THAT much of a pay cut to stay in Toronto. Toronto is already working getting Gardiner to take a cut to stay long term, Simmonds won't be affordable and it makes no sense at all to give up a 1st + other assets for him. & again you're wrong about Brown. It's not for sure that he's gone either. That's dependant on other moves to be made, but Brown can certainly get a more useful player that has term and team control back if they trade him in the summer, rather than waste his value on a rental. & the Leafs aren't trading Nylander for Pesce. IF they wanted to do that, they coulda done it when Nylander didn't have a contract and Carolina constantly kept asking for Nylander. & whatever move could be made for Nylander for a top 4 defensemen, there's no guarantee they get a 1st round pick back in that deal. Top 4 right handed defensemen are hare to find, wingers aren't. Any team would argue that and most likely not give up a 1st + a top 4 RHD for Nylander.

& Also as I've said, your scenario puts Toronto under the $3.75M cap space needed in this seasons cap to pay for bonuses. If they don't have that left at the end of the season, bonuses role over into next seasons cap and limit how much they can give their RFA's this offseason.

Guaranteed no from Toronto. It affects them too much negative in the long term.


Simmonds is not worth $7+ million so whatever drugs your on I wanna try some to see things how you see them casue clearly you don’t understand and a 30th overall pick is not really the best and over the next couple seasons the top 10 prospects are good then instantly the prospects look like your typical 3rd rounder. The prospect pool is not really that deep as it used to be plus if Carolina goes somewhere else for a winter they are still gonna want a good top 4 or top 6 forward back with a 1st you give a little to get a little that’s how this league works


Edit: Nylander $6.96 million aav, 60+point player, top 6 forward, worth top 4 d man and a first rounder if you give up a third rounder in same year

Simmonds according to you $7+ million aav 40-50+ point player, top 9 forward, worth about a top 9 forward and a second and third round pick


Sounds fair nylander is better but worth less than him that’s how that works
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14 févr. 2019 à 16 h 41
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LOL you are dumb.


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LOL you are dumb.


*clap clap* good argument. Very logical, gotta love when you dummy someone so bad in an argument that they can't say anything but "you are dumb"
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14 févr. 2019 à 16 h 46
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Simmonds is not worth $7+ million so whatever drugs your on I wanna try some to see things how you see them casue clearly you don’t understand and a 30th overall pick is not really the best and over the next couple seasons the top 10 prospects are good then instantly the prospects look like your typical 3rd rounder. The prospect pool is not really that deep as it used to be plus if Carolina goes somewhere else for a winter they are still gonna want a good top 4 or top 6 forward back with a 1st you give a little to get a little that’s how this league works


Are you for real? JVR just got $7M per season for 5 years.. SImmonds gets at least that. So I think you don't understand there bud. & it doesn't matter if it's the 30th overall pick. Toronto has already said they're not moving a future 1st for a rental. That's not me saying it, that's the team. Plus Toronto is going to need their top picks because their prospect pool is starting to thin out. They can't draft guys if they throw away their picks for rentals. & Yes, Carolina is going to want a top 6 winger for one of their dman. But if Toronto was going to make Nylander available for it, they coulda done it by now. Realistically, it'll probably end up being Kapanen or Johnsson and a later pick or so going to Carolina IF Toronto trades with them. But it won't be Nylander for Pesce + other assets. Both teams wouldn't do that.

So yes, trust me, I know how trades work and I understand fine. Idiot.
14 févr. 2019 à 16 h 46
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*clap clap* good argument. Very logical, gotta love when you dummy someone so bad in an argument that they can't say anything but "you are dumb"


You're just not worth the time to explain anything to cause you won't get it. LOL. bye.
14 févr. 2019 à 16 h 50
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The idea is okay but babs loves hainsey
 
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