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Playoff Roster

Créé par: quinnjj
Date de création initiale: fév 2, 2019
Publié: 12 fév 2019 à 11 h 11
Équipe: 2018-19 Penguins de Pittsburgh
Explications
Realistic Op
Transactions
PIT
  1. Jensen, Nick
DET
  1. 2020 3e round pick (PIT)
  2. 2019 4e round pick (BUF)
PIT
  1. Danault, Phillip
MTL
  1. Määttä, Olli
PIT
  1. Scandella, Marco (2 000 000 $ retained)
BUF
  1. 2019 5e round pick (PIT)
  2. 2020 4e round pick (PIT)
  3. 2021 2e round pick (PIT)
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Nick Bjugstad: 2 050 000 $ (50%)
  • Carl Hagelin: 250 000 $ (6%)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2018
2019
PIT
PIT
VGK
2020
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
2021
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2479 500 000 $76 999 167 $0 $982 500 $2 500 833 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
PIT
Guentzel, Jake
734 167 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
PIT
Crosby, Sidney
8 700 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 7
PIT
Bjugstad, Nick
2 050 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 3
PIT
Rust, Bryan
3 500 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 4
PIT
Malkin, Evgeni
9 500 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 4
PIT
Hörnqvist, Patric
5 300 000 $
AD
NTC
UFA - 5
PIT
Pearson, Tanner
3 750 000 $
AG
UFA - 3
MTL
Danault, Phillip
3 083 333 $
C
UFA - 3
PIT
Kessel, Phil
6 800 000 $
AD
NMC NTC
UFA - 4
PIT
Blueger, Teddy
650 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 1
PIT
McCann, Jared
1 250 000 $
AG, C
RFA - 2
PIT
Simon, Dominik
750 000 $
AD, AG
RFA - 2
PIT
Aston-Reese, Zach
925 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
PIT
Dumoulin, Brian
4 100 000 $
DG
UFA - 5
PIT
Letang, Kris
7 250 000 $
DD
NMC NTC
UFA - 4
PIT
Murray, Matt
3 750 000 $
G
RFA - 2
BUF
Scandella, Marco
0 $
DG
UFA - 2
PIT
Schultz, Justin
5 500 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 2
PIT
DeSmith, Casey
675 000 $
G
UFA - 1
PIT
Pettersson, Marcus
794 167 $
DG
UFA - 1
DET
Jensen, Nick
812 500 $
DD
UFA - 1
PIT
Riikola, Juuso
925 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
PIT
Johnson, Jack
3 250 000 $
DG
UFA - 5
PIT
Cullen, Matt
650 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1

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12 fév 2019 à 11 h 12
#1
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Montreal isn't trading Danault for Maatta HAHA. You would have to give us Guentzel and Montreal would still probably reject.
12 fév 2019 à 11 h 22
#2
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Quoting: HabsForEver
Montreal isn't trading Danault for Maatta HAHA. You would have to give us Guentzel and Montreal would still probably reject.


you’re right, MTL wouldn’t trade danault for maatta. But you’re delusional if you think danault is worth more than Jake Guzental haha
12 fév 2019 à 11 h 25
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Quoting: mhockey91
you’re right, MTL wouldn’t trade danault for maatta. But you’re delusional if you think danault is worth more than Jake Guzental haha


I'm just saying. Danault is one of the better shutdown centers in the league. He constantly faces the other teams top lines, is on pace for 59 points and has a 53% Faceoff percentage against other team's top lines. He is a very underrated player.
12 fév 2019 à 11 h 32
#4
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Quoting: HabsForEver
I'm just saying. Danault is one of the better shutdown centers in the league. He constantly faces the other teams top lines, is on pace for 59 points and has a 53% Faceoff percentage against other team's top lines. He is a very underrated player.


I’m well aware of that. I think he’s very good. but Jake Guzental has been a nightmare for the opposition in the playoffs, and is gonna get over 30 goals 75+ points this season. Say what you want about the Crosby effect, but this is definitely Sids most skilled linemate he’s had his entire career (aside from Hossa for the 08 cup run)
12 fév 2019 à 11 h 35
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Quoting: mhockey91
I’m well aware of that. I think he’s very good. but Jake Guzental has been a nightmare for the opposition in the playoffs, and is gonna get over 30 goals 75+ points this season. Say what you want about the Crosby effect, but this is definitely Sids most skilled linemate he’s had his entire career (aside from Hossa for the 08 cup run)


Danault is a center who doesn't play with Sidney Crosby and is one of the better defensive centers in the league. I would rather that over a scoring threat winger who is boosted by Crosby.
12 fév 2019 à 11 h 45
#6
mhockey91
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Quoting: HabsForEver
Danault is a center who doesn't play with Sidney Crosby and is one of the better defensive centers in the league. I would rather that over a scoring threat winger who is boosted by Crosby.


Lmao dude he’s a 2/3C. He’s good, but settle down lmao. He’s a 50-60 point guy verse a 70-80 point 30+ goal guy. Danault is like a better Faska. Guzental has wayyyyy more value. Guezental is also great defensively for a winger. Look at his Stats this season. He’s really coming into form as a premier winger in this league

https://public.tableau.com/profile/bill.comeau#!/vizhome/SkaterComparisonToolv2/Dashboard1
12 fév 2019 à 11 h 57
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Quoting: mhockey91
Lmao dude he’s a 2/3C. He’s good, but settle down lmao. He’s a 50-60 point guy verse a 70-80 point 30+ goal guy. Danault is like a better Faska. Guzental has wayyyyy more value. Guezental is also great defensively for a winger. Look at his Stats this season. He’s really coming into form as a premier winger in this league

https://public.tableau.com/profile/bill.comeau#!/vizhome/SkaterComparisonToolv2/Dashboard1


The thing I really like about jake is how smart he is.
Did you see him bait Couturier off the ice last night. That was such high level play it's not even funny. He knew finishing his check would cause a scrum. He was hoping not to get called on it himself and even it up. But even if he did get called on it, he know he was dragging their best offensive player out the game. Just brilliant.
12 fév 2019 à 12 h 02
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Quoting: mhockey91
Lmao dude he’s a 2/3C. He’s good, but settle down lmao. He’s a 50-60 point guy verse a 70-80 point 30+ goal guy. Danault is like a better Faska. Guzental has wayyyyy more value. Guezental is also great defensively for a winger. Look at his Stats this season. He’s really coming into form as a premier winger in this league

https://public.tableau.com/profile/bill.comeau#!/vizhome/SkaterComparisonToolv2/Dashboard1


Again, we are talking about a center vs winger that both face top opposition. One plays a more important role on the ice and isn't boosted by his teammates.
12 fév 2019 à 12 h 02
#9
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Quoting: HabsForEver
Montreal isn't trading Danault for Maatta HAHA. You would have to give us Guentzel and Montreal would still probably reject.


Danault is a very good #2-#3 Center and I really like how he plays but lets simmer dahn on thinking he is even close to Guentzel
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12 fév 2019 à 12 h 03
#10
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Quoting: Sidstick87
Danault is a very good #2-#3 Center and I really like how he plays but lets simmer dahn on thinking he is even close to Guentzel


Lmao exactly. It ain’t close chief
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12 fév 2019 à 12 h 06
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Quoting: HabsForEver
Again, we are talking about a center vs winger that both face top opposition. One plays a more important role on the ice and isn't boosted by his teammates.


Except Danault plays with 1 of the best and most under rated RWers in the game in Gallagher and a good a** LWer named Drouin
12 fév 2019 à 12 h 06
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Quoting: mhockey91
Lmao exactly. It ain’t close chief


Read my previous comment. One is a center that is the most important player on the ice. The other plays with Sidney Crosby.
12 fév 2019 à 12 h 06
#13
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Quoting: HabsForEver
Again, we are talking about a center vs winger that both face top opposition. One plays a more important role on the ice and isn't boosted by his teammates.


I agree centre is a more valuable role, and if danault was a 70-80 point C he’d be a more valuable player, but he isn’t. The gap between production is gonna be over 10+ goals and 20 points. It’s not close
12 fév 2019 à 12 h 07
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Quoting: Sidstick87
Except Danault plays with 1 of the best and most under rated RWers in the game in Gallagher and a good a** LWer named Drouin


Having Drouin on his line requires him to focus on defense even more.
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12 fév 2019 à 12 h 08
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Quoting: mhockey91
I agree centre is a more valuable role, and if danault was a 70-80 point C he’d be a more valuable player, but he isn’t. The gap between production is gonna be over 10+ goals and 20 points. It’s not close


One also plays with Sidney Crosby (arguably the best player in the world). I would rather have a 60 point defensive center over a 70 points winger. Just my opinion.
12 fév 2019 à 12 h 08
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Quoting: HabsForEver
Read my previous comment. One is a center that is the most important player on the ice. The other plays with Sidney Crosby.


Dude you’re gonna be one of the few people who actually think danault is better than Guzental lmao. That’s like saying Johansen is better than Marchand cause one plays centre and one plays wing and Marchand plays with great players. The production gap speaks for itself
12 fév 2019 à 12 h 08
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Quoting: HabsForEver
Having Drouin on his line requires him to focus on defense even more.


lol, ok u win there
12 fév 2019 à 12 h 11
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Quoting: mhockey91
Dude you’re gonna be one of the few people who actually think danault is better than Guzental lmao. That’s like saying Johansen is better than Marchand cause one plays centre and one plays wing and Marchand plays with great players. The production gap speaks for itself


Marchand is a 100 pt player, Johansen isn't required to play defense like Danault is. Johansen benefits from the team he is around wheras Danault doesn't have that ability. You can't compare the two.
12 fév 2019 à 12 h 38
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Quoting: HabsForEver
Marchand is a 100 pt player, Johansen isn't required to play defense like Danault is. Johansen benefits from the team he is around wheras Danault doesn't have that ability. You can't compare the two.


Okay I’ll use Taresenko Vs Derick Stepan. Same logic where one is a Two way centre and one is a high skill winger. Even though centres are more valuable, if the gap is THAT big, I’ll take the high skill winger. Anyways, agree to disagree because neither of us are gonna change our opinions.
12 fév 2019 à 12 h 44
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Quoting: mhockey91
Okay I’ll use Taresenko Vs Derick Stepan. Same logic where one is a Two way centre and one is a high skill winger. Even though centres are more valuable, if the gap is THAT big, I’ll take the high skill winger. Anyways, agree to disagree because neither of us are gonna change our opinions.


Once again, Danault is on pace for 60 points this season, Stepan at 28 has a career high of 56 points. Guentzel's career high goals is 27 playing beside Crosby. Tarasenko's career high in goals is 40 playing beside Statsny and Steen (Highest scorer on team by 22 points).

This comparison is even worse.
12 fév 2019 à 13 h 25
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Quoting: HabsForEver
Once again, Danault is on pace for 60 points this season, Stepan at 28 has a career high of 56 points. Guentzel's career high goals is 27 playing beside Crosby. Tarasenko's career high in goals is 40 playing beside Statsny and Steen (Highest scorer on team by 22 points).

This comparison is even worse.


Stepan’s best year was actually when he didn’t play a full season. He would’ve gotten over 65 points. Stepan used to be a very solid C not sure how he is now. I’m not comparing Guzental to senko obviously. I’m saying the gap between Guzental and Danault is similar to the gap between Senko to Stepan, and not a single GM would take Stepan over senko. Same as Guzental Vs Daunlt. You’re entitled to your opinion, but facts would suggest otherwise.
12 fév 2019 à 13 h 30
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Quoting: mhockey91
Stepan’s best year was actually when he didn’t play a full season. He would’ve gotten over 65 points. Stepan used to be a very solid C not sure how he is now. I’m not comparing Guzental to senko obviously. I’m saying the gap between Guzental and Danault is similar to the gap between Senko to Stepan, and not a single GM would take Stepan over senko. Same as Guzental Vs Daunlt. You’re entitled to your opinion, but facts would suggest otherwise.


Quoting: mhockey91
Stepan’s best year was actually when he didn’t play a full season. He would’ve gotten over 65 points. Stepan used to be a very solid C not sure how he is now. I’m not comparing Guzental to senko obviously. I’m saying the gap between Guzental and Danault is similar to the gap between Senko to Stepan, and not a single GM would take Stepan over senko. Same as Guzental Vs Daunlt. You’re entitled to your opinion, but facts would suggest otherwise.


How are they Similar? Danault is better than Stepan and Tarasenko is better than Guentzel. You haven't said any facts in this entire conversation, I don't know what facts you are suggesting that state otherwise, but you are entitled to your opinion.
12 fév 2019 à 13 h 42
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mhockey91
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Quoting: HabsForEver
How are they Similar? Danault is better than Stepan and Tarasenko is better than Guentzel. You haven't said any facts in this entire conversation, I don't know what facts you are suggesting that state otherwise, but you are entitled to your opinion.


Lmao Stepan was better than danault. 100% he was. Maybe not now, but prime Stepan was better than Danault right now. Anyways I’m done with this argument haha. It’s pretty clear whose the better player between Danault and Guzental when you compare regular season stats, playoff stats, and advanced stats.
12 fév 2019 à 13 h 47
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Quoting: mhockey91
Lmao Stepan was better than danault. 100% he was. Maybe not now, but prime Stepan was better than Danault right now. Anyways I’m done with this argument haha. It’s pretty clear whose the better player between Danault and Guzental when you compare regular season stats, playoff stats, and advanced stats.


Never had above a 47.7% faceoff win percentage, in his prime days, he never started more than 45.5% in the defensive zone. They put up around the same numbers... So time to give me some facts on why Stepan is better than Danault.

One guy plays center, shuts down opposing lines, has above 50% winning face-off percentage doing so, Leads his line, puts up 60 points a season. While the other guy is a 70 PT winger that plays with Crosby, but please keep telling me how he is better.
12 fév 2019 à 13 h 54
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Quoting: HabsForEver
Never had above a 47.7% faceoff win percentage, in his prime days, he never started more than 45.5% in the defensive zone. They put up around the same numbers... So time to give me some facts on why Stepan is better than Danault.

One guy plays center, shuts down opposing lines, has above 50% winning face-off percentage doing so, Leads his line, puts up 60 points a season. While the other guy is a 70 PT winger that plays with Crosby, but please keep telling me how he is better.


Okay buddy I tried to be nice but you’re frustrating me. Even my Habs fan friends think you’re wrong lmao.
Stepan Prime > Danult. He lead a team to a Stanley cup finals and put up much more points plus he was very solid defensively. 55/60 points Then is more than 55/60 points now. Stepan also had a much better PPG so he was clearly the better player. All danault had him was on face offs.
Agree to disagree and leave it at that

**edit**
Guzentals defensive metrics are just as good / better than Danault this year so whose really the shut down guy + puts up more points haha
 
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