Realistic Barzal Trade

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Islanders laugh at you.

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Quoting: Gofnut999

Islanders laugh at you.

Did you read the description, mate?

27 janv. 2019 à 12 h 29

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Quoting: Gofnut999

Islanders laugh at you.

So do I and everyone elso who watched a single hockey game in his life. ?

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Quoting: TheExpert

Did you read the description, mate?

Yup. They laugh even harder. Barzal is a franchise player. Guentzel is a very good complimrntary piece. It’s would be the equivalent to to Boston offering Krejci for Crosby a dozen years ago. Trying to justify this makes you look foolish.

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what about age, position, and any individual skill/talent assessment that isnt reflected in point totals and corsi/fenwick. Barzal is flat out a better hockey player. He's a magician out there.

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27 janv. 2019 à 12 h 37

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what about age, position, and any individual skill/talent assessment that isnt reflected in point totals and corsi/fenwick. Barzal is flat out a better hockey player. He's a magician out there.

Well, that's not the point of this thread. This is a direct response to all the whacky Barzal trades Pens fans have come up with. Obviously, it wouldn't be a straight up trade, but the centerpiece of the package would have to be Guentzel. My point is that it wouldn't be a trade worth making for the Penguins.

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This is embarrassing.

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I mean, the closest thing to a fair trade is Barzal + something for Malkin and that isnt happening

27 janv. 2019 à 12 h 42

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Yup. They laugh even harder.

Maybe so, but who cares? Add whatever you think is necessary to get the Islanders to say yes and tell me, is it really a trade worth making for the Penguins?

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I mean, the closest thing to a fair trade is Barzal + something for Malkin and that isnt happening

The trade itself isn't really that important. Malkin isn't getting traded, so Guentzel would probably be the centerpiece of any package for Barzal. With all the assets the Penguins would have to give up, is it really worth it when you already have a player producing similar numbers?

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Maybe so, but who cares? Add whatever you think is necessary to get the Islanders to say yes and tell me, is it really a trade worth making for the Penguins?

The islanders don’t say yes. Period. You would never pay the price you’d have to pay to get him. There is no incentive to move him. To give them one you’d have to ridiculously overpay. What is the going rate for a 21 year old franchise player with another year still left on his ELC? Take that and multiply it by 2 and maybe you get them to the table. Maybe.

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Quoting: TheExpert

Barzal is a center and the face of their franchise that just lost Tavares. Barzal also put up 85 points last year to Guentzel's 48. Guentzel is a winger who is 2 years older too.

Barzal will not be traded. Stop fooling yourself.

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Why would the pens even want to trade Guentzel? He's proven to play very well with Crosby, and he's arguably been the best goal scorer in the playoffs the past 2 years

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Quoting: TheExpert

Did you read the description, mate?

Quoting: hockeyfanatic05

Why would the pens even want to trade Guentzel? He's proven to play very well with Crosby, and he's arguably been the best goal scorer in the playoffs the past 2 years

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I mean, the closest thing to a fair trade is Barzal + something for Malkin and that isnt happening

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what about age, position, and any individual skill/talent assessment that isnt reflected in point totals and corsi/fenwick. Barzal is flat out a better hockey player. He's a magician out there.

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So do I and everyone elso who watched a single hockey game in his life. ?

I just want to Point out he said semi realistic it's never realistic if Barzal is being traded.

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You're halfway there. Now, would that ridiculous overpayment really be worth it for the Penguins? Think about it, they would have the most top-heavy team in the NHL and nobody to fall back on besides Barzal when Crosby and Malkin regress. I doubt that group would be successful long-term. Maybe they could win a cup now, but that's something they can already do with their current roster.

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I just want to Point out he said semi realistic it's never realistic if Barzal is being traded.

there’s been wayyyyyy worse proposals on here

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Why would the pens even want to trade Guentzel? He's proven to play very well with Crosby, and he's arguably been the best goal scorer in the playoffs the past 2 years

I appreciate you, I feel like my point has flown over everyone else's head.

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Quoting: TheExpert

I appreciate you, I feel like my point has flown over everyone else's head.

Ya well I don’t think it makes sense for either team. Only way the Islanders will even consider trading Barzal is for an extreme overpayment, which would hurt the pens more than help

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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld

Well, obviously. The Pens would have to absolutely overpay to get him. My entire point is that it wouldn't be worth it.

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I could honestly argue against trading Barzal for Crosby straight up. I read the description, your logic is flawed and this isn't even remotely close

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Quoting: TheExpert

Well, obviously. The Pens would have to absolutely overpay to get him. My entire point is that it wouldn't be worth it.

So you created a team suggesting that Barzal on the pens would be good and then said it won't work.

Just log off the internet.

I'll create a team that has an alien, george washington and jesus christ on the sabres and then tell everyone who comments that it wouldn't really be worth it and to read the description.

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Quoting: TheExpert

They are going to try to cripple you in order to aquire him considering you are in the same division. You would have to make it impossible for them to say no. I doubt you can.

There is a better chance of me winning the Powerball then there is of the Isles trading Barzal to the Penguins. Lol.

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there’s been wayyyyyy worse proposals on here

Well that is certainly true. Just go to the Canadiens ACGMs where every single post is Lehkonnen. Hudon, and Reilly for an All-Star.

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Quoting: Gofnut999

And that's the only point I'm really trying to make. As nice as it would be to add a player like Barzal, everything they'd have to subtract to acquire him is just too much for one player to offset.

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