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Créé par: MajesticWalrus
Équipe: 2018-19 Penguins de Pittsburgh
Date de création initiale: 7 déc. 2018
Publié: 7 déc. 2018
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Too many lefties on defense; maatta, dumoulin, Johnson, oleksiak, and petterson. That's 5 now and they're all making more than a million so technically we have two non roster defence making millions. This isn't like we're playing an actual good right handed defenseman like karlsson on his opposite side where we can make an exception. This is simply unnecessary.
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LISTE DE RÉSERVEANSCAP HIT
3899 000 $
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3860 000 $
3811 000 $
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UFAANSCAP HIT
1650 000 $
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  1. Shinkaruk, Hunter
  2. Suzuki, Nick
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2019 (MTL)
  4. Choix de 6e ronde en 2019 (MTL)
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PIT
  1. Pyatt, Tom (200 000 $ retained)
OTT
  1. Hayes, Jimmy
  2. Choix de 6e ronde en 2021 (PIT)
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  1. Aston-Reese, Zach
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2019 (PIT)
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
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7 déc. 2018 à 15 h 26
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MTL says no. MTL is making out like bandits right now with the Tatar and Suzuki trade.
7 déc. 2018 à 15 h 31
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MTL says no. MTL is making out like bandits right now with the Tatar and Suzuki trade.


They're still having trouble in the goalie department, jarry is among the best goalie prospects in the league and brassard would be like their best natural centre. And it just costs Suzuki basically, who hasn't proven himself as an NHLer yet
7 déc. 2018 à 15 h 44
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Quoting: MajesticWalrus
They're still having trouble in the goalie department, jarry is among the best goalie prospects in the league and brassard would be like their best natural centre. And it just costs Suzuki basically, who hasn't proven himself as an NHLer yet


His stats the last couple years at both the AHL and NHL level don't reflect him being even a decent goalie prospect..
7 déc. 2018 à 15 h 47
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Quoting: IgorKutchakokov
His stats the last couple years at both the AHL and NHL level don't reflect him being even a decent goalie prospect..


.906 save % 2.84 gaa playing behind one of the worst defenses in the league reflects he's a good goalie prospect
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They're still having trouble in the goalie department, jarry is among the best goalie prospects in the league and brassard would be like their best natural centre. And it just costs Suzuki basically, who hasn't proven himself as an NHLer yet


So why would the Pens do it? They get one pretty good prospect plus a late 3rd, no NHL pieces, and almost half of Johnson's contract is still on the books for the rest of eternity. Shinkaruk, Wilson, and the 6th aren't worth anything, so why would the Pens give up Brassard and the likely backup goalie for next season? I know you went out and got Dansk (and the injured and unreliable Haula) but Dansk didn't suddenly become a decent goaltender because he had two great starts in the NHL last season.

The Vancouver trade doesn't make much sense either: Stetcher is a downgrade in talent and value from Maatta, and Granlund is a lateral move at best who only has one year of team control left. Gaunce and Chatfield aren't worth much of anything, so the Pens are losing their best trade chip in Maatta and getting nothing in the ways of impact players or prospects in return.

The Pens don't need Tom Pyatt. Tom Pyatt is bad.
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They're still having trouble in the goalie department, jarry is among the best goalie prospects in the league and brassard would be like their best natural centre. And it just costs Suzuki basically, who hasn't proven himself as an NHLer yet


Sure you might be right about Brassard, but I still don't make the deal. Like it or not, Price is the only answer in Net for them. That happens when you pay a goalie over 10m.
and Jarry has had one lights out season 2016/17. Other then that he has been just an above average goalie and not the best goalie prospects in the world.

So no, I would not give up a really really good young center for a 31 year old decent center, a 27 year old AHL forward, an AHL Goalie would could maybe be a starter somewhere(not in MTL), and Jack Johnson who at this point is a average to below average Dman.
This would make MTL better for maybe a year or 2. I would rather see them retain prospects and see what they have instead of betting on aging players.
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7 déc. 2018 à 16 h 37
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Quoting: hockeyfanatic05
.906 save % 2.84 gaa playing behind one of the worst defenses in the league reflects he's a good goalie prospect


Jarry is a very difficult prospect to get a read on, and I'm as unsure about his NHL potential as I've been about almost anyone that's come through Wilkes-Barre.

His peaks are about as good as it gets: the 2.15 GAA and a .925 sv% he posted in 45 games as a 21 year old is excellent, and they're fairly close to the numbers Murray posted at the same age with a slightly better AHL defense in front of him. He didn't look as good as Murray, but Matt literally set the bar at record heights.

Flipside is, he didn't look anywhere near as solid in his short AHL stint last year, and he was soundly outplayed by DeSmith at both levels. Jarry looks a bit better this year but he's still not where he needs to be, and he's never carried himself at this level like other future NHL goalies have.

I've seen enough to know that could be an NHL goaltender, and I've seen enough to write him off. I think the best option is to just play this season out, and if Jarry doesn't prove himself DeSmith won't cost much.
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So why would the Pens do it? They get one pretty good prospect plus a late 3rd, no NHL pieces, and almost half of Johnson's contract is still on the books for the rest of eternity. Shinkaruk, Wilson, and the 6th aren't worth anything, so why would the Pens give up Brassard and the likely backup goalie for next season? I know you went out and got Dansk (and the injured and unreliable Haula) but Dansk didn't suddenly become a decent goaltender because he had two great starts in the NHL last season.

The Vancouver trade doesn't make much sense either: Stetcher is a downgrade in talent and value from Maatta, and Granlund is a lateral move at best who only has one year of team control left. Gaunce and Chatfield aren't worth much of anything, so the Pens are losing their best trade chip in Maatta and getting nothing in the ways of impact players or prospects in return.

The Pens don't need Tom Pyatt. Tom Pyatt is bad.


Shinkaruk was once a highly touted prospect and went in the first round. He's still young. And Suzuki is a really good young centre prospect. And they get two draft picks. Not a bad return for a team that's always getting criticized for its lack of young talent, it's not like brassard is going to be resigned by The Penguins. He would want a raise from his current contact and on top of that his current contract is almost half retained. They won't afford him and Johnson, we don't need him. Pyatt is not bad, he's one of the best shot blocking players in the league like bonino was. I got skapski and dansk, they're both still young for a goalie. And we don't need anyone too extravagant backing up desmith because Murray will be back soon. Also as a penguins fan from Vancouver, gaunce, granlund, chatfield and Stecher are all great bang for your buck. They're all really good defensively and relatively young. And Stecher is way better than maatta.
8 déc. 2018 à 0 h 56
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Quoting: MajesticWalrus
Shinkaruk was once a highly touted prospect and went in the first round. He's still young. And Suzuki is a really good young centre prospect. And they get two draft picks. Not a bad return for a team that's always getting criticized for its lack of young talent, it's not like brassard is going to be resigned by The Penguins. He would want a raise from his current contact and on top of that his current contract is almost half retained. They won't afford him and Johnson, we don't need him. Pyatt is not bad, he's one of the best shot blocking players in the league like bonino was. I got skapski and dansk, they're both still young for a goalie. And we don't need anyone too extravagant backing up desmith because Murray will be back soon. Also as a penguins fan from Vancouver, gaunce, granlund, chatfield and Stecher are all great bang for your buck. They're all really good defensively and relatively young. And Stecher is way better than maatta.


Shinkaruk has a multi-year track record of being an average AHL forward, and has a grand total of 6 points in 22 games this season. Unless he's literally free off the waiver wire, pass.

Suzuki might end up being great, but he's a 19 year old that's still plugging away in juniors. Brassard is more likely to help the Pens win a Cup in 2019 than Suzuki is in 2020 or 2021, and after that the core of the Pens will be too far gone for Suzuki to make enough of a difference.

Now I'm not against trading Brassard, but if Suzuki is the only piece coming back then the Pens are punting on one of their last chances at a Cup in this era. A pick at the end of the draft or a 3rd that will end up somewhere between 80th and 90th overall don't mean a lot to this team, and the Brassard package to Ottawa just last season ended up being a 1st, two 3rds, and a really great goalie prospect. That'll fall off a bit since whoever would be adding him would probably just have him as a rental, but the package would still be decent. If the Pens are only getting Suzuki, a 3rd, and partial relief on the Johnson contract when you're giving up Brassard and Jarry, that's a loss.

Tom Pyatt is watching 65% of shots go on his own net while he's on the ice, along with being on the ice for nine goals against while shorthanded in just 58 minutes of PK time. We already have to deal with Cullen trudging around the ice, and Pyatt isn't an improvement just because he's quick enough to throw himself in a shooting lane.

Dansk isn't an NHL goalie. Skapski isn't even an AHL goalie. The Pens don't need to be trading away the only young cheap goaltender left in the system that might be able to give you NHL starts without a multi-million dollar contract, especially not as a sweetener in a deal where we're losing a ton of value already.

I'm not buying what you're selling on Vancouver. Chatfield has nothing in his history to suggest an NHL ceiling at 22, Gaunce can't hold down an NHL job despite the Canucks needing all the young help they can get, and Granlund has been on the ice for a league-worst 18 power play goals against. I also don't see how you can look at everything Maatta has done so far in his career and say that Troy Stecher is even as good as Maatta, let alone "way better". Maatta outproduces him, he logs more time on the PK (and would log more all situations minutes if Stecher didn't play on a tire fire of a D corps), and he's got a professional track record stretching back to before Stecher left the BCHL. Don't forget how much sway having a Cup ring on your finger holds with GM's around the league, and Maatta has two of them before turning 25. Stecher is the better skater and he's right-handed, that doesn't mean he's better overall and it certainly doesn't mean he's more valuable. Maatta might very will be traded, and soon, but it won't be for pennies and projects.
8 déc. 2018 à 13 h 7
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Quoting: Jake_H
Shinkaruk has a multi-year track record of being an average AHL forward, and has a grand total of 6 points in 22 games this season. Unless he's literally free off the waiver wire, pass.

Suzuki might end up being great, but he's a 19 year old that's still plugging away in juniors. Brassard is more likely to help the Pens win a Cup in 2019 than Suzuki is in 2020 or 2021, and after that the core of the Pens will be too far gone for Suzuki to make enough of a difference.

Now I'm not against trading Brassard, but if Suzuki is the only piece coming back then the Pens are punting on one of their last chances at a Cup in this era. A pick at the end of the draft or a 3rd that will end up somewhere between 80th and 90th overall don't mean a lot to this team, and the Brassard package to Ottawa just last season ended up being a 1st, two 3rds, and a really great goalie prospect. That'll fall off a bit since whoever would be adding him would probably just have him as a rental, but the package would still be decent. If the Pens are only getting Suzuki, a 3rd, and partial relief on the Johnson contract when you're giving up Brassard and Jarry, that's a loss.

Tom Pyatt is watching 65% of shots go on his own net while he's on the ice, along with being on the ice for nine goals against while shorthanded in just 58 minutes of PK time. We already have to deal with Cullen trudging around the ice, and Pyatt isn't an improvement just because he's quick enough to throw himself in a shooting lane.

Dansk isn't an NHL goalie. Skapski isn't even an AHL goalie. The Pens don't need to be trading away the only young cheap goaltender left in the system that might be able to give you NHL starts without a multi-million dollar contract, especially not as a sweetener in a deal where we're losing a ton of value already.

I'm not buying what you're selling on Vancouver. Chatfield has nothing in his history to suggest an NHL ceiling at 22, Gaunce can't hold down an NHL job despite the Canucks needing all the young help they can get, and Granlund has been on the ice for a league-worst 18 power play goals against. I also don't see how you can look at everything Maatta has done so far in his career and say that Troy Stecher is even as good as Maatta, let alone "way better". Maatta outproduces him, he logs more time on the PK (and would log more all situations minutes if Stecher didn't play on a tire fire of a D corps), and he's got a professional track record stretching back to before Stecher left the BCHL. Don't forget how much sway having a Cup ring on your finger holds with GM's around the league, and Maatta has two of them before turning 25. Stecher is the better skater and he's right-handed, that doesn't mean he's better overall and it certainly doesn't mean he's more valuable. Maatta might very will be traded, and soon, but it won't be for pennies and projects.


Im serious though watch a couple full vancouver games and pay attention to those names. The eye test is pretty key with those players since youre not going to get a true read on them just by looking at basic stats like powerplay goals against. They have one of the worst if not the worst goalie tandem in the league with markstrom and nilsson. Stecher in my opinion is the best defensive defenseman on the team and he can chip in offensively too, hes not getting decent ice time since tanev is overrated. Gaunce is a really good defensive bottom line centre who doesnt really score so you dont have to worry about dishing out money for him.
 
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