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Time to make moves

Créé par: Chuckforit
Date de création initiale: 23 nov. 2018
Publié: 23 nov. 2018
Équipe: 2018-19 Canadiens de Montréal
Description
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Disclaimer:

This is a draft made for the sole purpose of armchair-GMing the **** out of this situation that MTL is currently in.
They do not know when Weber nor Byron will come back, Juulsen and Armia are day-to-day but do not have proper replacements.

The trades made may not be realistic, but they could potentially work if LAK, CGY and CHI don't think it through too much...

The rest of the description is a long novel explaining the trades, the line configuration and ****, so you can skip that if you want.


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MTL - CHI trade

Until Weber is 100% back and Juulsen gets his face stiched up, there is no way MTL can win games without at least another right-handed D who can actually get the puck out of the defensive zone.

Hence why trading a 4th round pick to LAK for Rutta (28 yo, has a pretty decent control of the puck) would fix that momentarilly.

As explained in the trade details, the 4th round pick from MTL would become a 2nd if Rutta plays for more than 30 games with MTL for the remaining of the regular season. Some of you might comment that that is not a legal trade condition, but it already happenend with the Sergachev trade 2 years ago. Go look it up, it is actually a legit way to add conditions to a trade.


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MTL - CGY trade

This gets tricky. Alzner and Shaw are complete nuissance and slow down the rest of the team either by taking stupid penalties (Shaw), by creating turnovers whenever they have the puck (Alzner) or both...

With a 1m$ retained for each of them (2m total) for the next 4 years (cap wise, this is not a problem), CGY would benefit from 2 veterans who have been in playoff situations (boy, do they choke in the playoffs since 2004, eh?).

A conditional 2020 4th round pick would most likely seal the deal, since it would become a 2nd if MTL gets to the Eastern conference finals (also legit trade conditions).

Lazar has only played in the AHL so far this year and is showing some skills. He also knows Domi, since they brieftly played together on the Canada U20 team back in 2015. Making him play on the right wing could potentially bring a spark to this already talented line. More on that bellow.

The 1st round pick is conditional to the lenght of Calgary's playoff run. If they get to the Western conference finals, it becomes a 3rd round pick.


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MTL - LAK trade

Jake Muzzin is a big piece on the defensive squad in LA, but they need to make room for a rebuild. Time to snatch him out while they aren't getting back up for this season (unlikely)!

Hagelin's 4m$ contract is an easy buyout acquisition, leaving LA with more cap space to move their contracts around.

Vejdemo, probably the 4th most interesting center prospect in MTL, is a fair trade, accompagnied by Shinkaruk who is going back to his original division (Pacific).

As detailed, the 2021 1st round pick from MTL would come with another 2020 1st round pick if MTL wins the stanley cup this year. Bergevin would probably never do that, but if MTL doesn't win the cup while Price is still in his 30's, then Bergevin would regret not doing that kind of trade.

Last thing to sweeten the deal, center prospect Cameron Hillis' contract rights gets transfered to LA.


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Roster

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Offense

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Drouin - Domi - Lazar
If it doesn't work after 2-3 games, then switch Lazar for Hudon or someone from the prospect pool, until Byron comes back

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Tatar - Danault - Gallagher
This line should remain the same as long as no one is injured

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Agostino - Kotkaniemi - Lehkonen
Remains the same until Armia comes back

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Deslauriers - Chaput - Hudon
Chaput can be switched with Peca or even someone else from the AHL (Froese, Audette, etc...)


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Defense

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Muzzin - Petry
Stays like that until Weber comes back, downgrading Petry to the 2nd pair

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Reilly - Rutta
Could switch Reilly for Mete if the chemistry isn't working, at least until Petry gets back down to the 2nd
and/or Juulsen comes back

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Mete - Ouellet
Both could be switched for Schlemko, Benn or even Juulsen


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Goalies

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Price - Niemi
Depending on the outcome of the games to come, Price could be switched more frequently for Niemi, or even
by Lindgren or McNiven if one of them gets injured (lower body for Price - a virus for Niemi...)


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Special Teams
Don't really need explaining, could be modified anyway and anyhow. As long as the PP is above 18% and the
PK above 82, should be fine


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Conclusion:
It's freaking 2:48 in the mornin' and I gotta get some sleep. I won't bother looking back at the writting, so excuse me for any mistakes.
Transactions
1.
MTL
  1. Rutta, Jan
CHI
  1. Choix de 2019 ronde en 4e (MTL)
Détails additionnels:
4th pick becomes 2nd if Rutta plays for more than 30 games with MTL for the remaining of the season.
2.
MTL
  1. Lazar, Curtis
  2. Choix de 2019 ronde en 1e (CGY)
Détails additionnels:
1st round pick becomes a 3rd if CGY gets to the Western conference finals
CGY
  1. Alzner, Karl (1 000 000 $ retained)
  2. Shaw, Andrew (1 000 000 $ retained)
  3. Choix de 2020 ronde en 4e (MTL)
Détails additionnels:
4th round pick becomes a 2nd (MTL) if MTL gets to the Eastern conference finals.
3.
MTL
  1. Hagelin, Carl
  2. Muzzin, Jake
Détails additionnels:
Hagelin is a buyout trade

MTL also trades the contract rights to their center prospect Cameron Hillis (unsigned)
LAK
  1. Shinkaruk, Hunter
  2. Vejdemo, Lukas
  3. Choix de 2021 ronde en 1e (MTL)
Détails additionnels:
A 2020 1st round pick (MTL) is added if MTL wins the stanley cup this year
Rachats de contrats
  • Steve Mason: 1 366 667 $
  • Carl Hagelin: 1 556 000 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Max Pacioretty: 450 000 $ (10%)
  • Marco Scandella: 2 000 000 $ (50%)
  • Karl Alzner: 1 000 000 $ (0%)
  • Andrew Shaw: 1 000 000 $ (25.64%)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGE1E RONDE2E RONDE3E RONDE4E RONDE5E RONDE6E RONDE7E RONDE
2018
2019
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Logo de CBJ
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Logo de CGY
Logo de CHI
Logo de EDM
Logo de MTL
Logo de WPG
2020
Logo de MTL
Logo de MTL
Logo de MTL
Logo de WPG
Logo de MTL
Logo de MTL
Logo de MTL
2021
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2379 500 000 $65 931 832 $0 $3 107 500 $13 568 168 $

Formation

Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
Drouin, Jonathan
5 500 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 5
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
Domi, Max
3 150 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 2
Logo de Flames de Calgary
Lazar, Curtis
950 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 1
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
Tatar, Tomas
4 800 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 3
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
Danault, Phillip
3 083 333 $
C
UFA - 3
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
Gallagher, Brendan
3 750 000 $
AD
UFA - 3
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
Agostino, Kenny
700 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
Kotkaniemi, Jesperi
925 000 $
C
UFA - 3
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
Lehkonen, Artturi
839 166 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
Deslauriers, Nicolas
950 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
Chaput, Michael
675 000 $
C
UFA - 2
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
Hudon, Charles
650 000 $
C, AG, AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Kings de Los Angeles
Muzzin, Jake
4 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
Petry, Jeff
5 500 000 $
DD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 3
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
Price, Carey
10 500 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 8
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
Reilly, Mike
725 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
Logo de Blackhawks de Chicago
Rutta, Jan
2 250 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
Niemi, Antti
950 000 $
G
UFA - 1
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
Mete, Victor
748 333 $
DG/DD
RFA - 2
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
Ouellet, Xavier
700 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
Schlemko, David
2 100 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
Juulsen, Noah
863 333 $
DD
RFA - 2
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
Weber, Shea
7 857 143 $
DD
UFA - 8
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
Benn, Jordie
1 100 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
Armia, Joel
1 850 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
Byron, Paul
1 166 667 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
Peca, Matthew
1 300 000 $
AG, C
UFA - 2

Unités spéciales

Avantage numérique 1
Lehkonen, A.
Domi, M.
Lazar, C.
Drouin, J.
Petry, J.
Avantage numérique 2
Tatar, T.
Danault, P.
Gallagher, B.
Reilly, M.
Mete, V.
Infériorité numérique 1
Danault, P.
Gallagher, B.
Reilly, M.
Petry, J.
Infériorité numérique 2
Deslauriers, N.
Hudon, C.
Schlemko, D.
Rutta, J.

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23 nov. 2018 à 3 h 50
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1) a 20 pts defenseman is worth at least a 3rd round pick. Also, why would CHI want to weaken their defense? Finally, we need LD, not RD. We already have too much RD (Webber, Ptry, Juhlsen, Benn, Ouellet, Brooks, Fleury).

2) Alzner was NO value. Would not be picked up on re-entry waivers. And Shaw is far from beeing worth a 1st.

3) You are not making LAK a favor by taking Hagelin and Muzzin. They actually need them and they have more value than a 1st and garbage. Also, no way we get rid of our 1st round pick!

.....if MTL wins the Stanley Cup this year...Yeah, sweet dreams man
23 nov. 2018 à 11 h 36
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1) a 20 pts defenseman is worth at least a 3rd round pick. Also, why would CHI want to weaken their defense? Finally, we need LD, not RD. We already have too much RD (Webber, Ptry, Juhlsen, Benn, Ouellet, Brooks, Fleury).

2) Alzner was NO value. Would not be picked up on re-entry waivers. And Shaw is far from beeing worth a 1st.

3) You are not making LAK a favor by taking Hagelin and Muzzin. They actually need them and they have more value than a 1st and garbage. Also, no way we get rid of our 1st round pick!

.....if MTL wins the Stanley Cup this year...Yeah, sweet dreams man


1) Hence why the 4th becomes a 2nd if Rutta plays 30 games. CHI needs to rebuild, they've been out of playoff contention since 2016. As far as I know, Benn and Ouellet are left-handed. Yes, they can play on the right side, but it is another thing to be right-handed (especially for PP and PK purposes).

2) CGY needs playoff-experienced veterans. Alzner has played in 64 playoff games. Shaw has played 72 games and has won 2 stanley cups with CHI. it's not a whole lot of points production that's for sure, but it is still worth something for a playoff contender like CGY. Maybe the deal needs to be sweeten up (adding round picks) in order to get a 1st, but there is still a condition to be met: CGY needs to get to the Western conference finals in order to make it a 3rd.

3) LAK are dead last in the whole league. Do they have a chance to rebound? Sure, but it's very unlikely. Muzzin has a lesser trade value since he's been injured. A 1st, a good prospect in Vejdemo and a reliable healthy scratch in Shinkaruk ain't garbage. Hagelin has a 4m contract for the rest of the season. He's got 4 points in 20 games so far. He's not going to help LA get back up and MTL would be buying is contract out for them.

3.1) No way we get rid of the 1st round pick? How do you propose getting an actual 1st pair left-handed defensemen in order to re-enforce the defense in front of Price? I'm not saying that we need to win the cup right now (Price is only 31), but the window is closing slowly. In 5 to 6 years, if no cup has been won and Price gets badly injured or doesn't want to play anymore (he has done that in the past), it's going to be low-tier seasons for quite some time. Unless Lindgren, McNiven or whatever unsigned goalies prospects MTL has. In order to win, you absolutely need to sacrifice a portion of the future. Look at the cup winners in the past years that are going under right now: CHI, LAK, PIT, DET, etc...

I know, the cup this year is a LONG stretch, but it's attainable if we get favorable playoff matchups.
23 nov. 2018 à 12 h 47
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Alright I'll bite.

Weber is coming back as soon as Tuesday. Yeah sure he'll need a couple game to adjust but it shouldn't really be that much more than that and Byron is almost back as well. Anyways not really important but just clarifying the disclaimer.

Rutta for a 4th. Yup works, the condition is a little wonky. Habs have 60 games left and Weber is back now, Petry is a righty an Juulsen won't take more than a month. Not to mention that Benn has often played the right side when needed. I say remove the condition and just make it a 3rd rounder. A 2nd is way too much for a dman who isn't that great to begin with and might not even play playoff minutes with a healthy team in front of him. (But still manage to get 30 games played)

The Calgary trade is simply not happening. Yeah sure they need playoff experience, any team wants to add it but at what cost? That's still 6M going back to Cgy long term and they don't have that kind of cap space. Shaw at 2.9 might be enticing for some teams but even if Alzner is at 3.6M, that way too much for a Dman who can;t even crack MTL's porous defense.

Not nearly enough in the LAK deal. Hags is a UFA at years end. There is no buyout to be had until the off season anyways. He'll be off the books at years end though so.... Plus he is not cap dump player. there are teams that will take him for the playoff push this year so he has value. Muzzin is a solid top 4 dman in the NHL. Many team will be lining up for him. Shinkaruk is fringe NHL'er whose more than likely a career AHL'er. Vejdemo is an ok prospect but definitely not a highly sought after one. The 1st rounder is the perfect starting point but its lacking some other key aspects to round it out that would push this offer to the top. Honestly I think Martinez is the more realistic target with what you are attempting to offer.
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Alright I'll bite.

Weber is coming back as soon as Tuesday. Yeah sure he'll need a couple game to adjust but it shouldn't really be that much more than that and Byron is almost back as well. Anyways not really important but just clarifying the disclaimer.

Rutta for a 4th. Yup works, the condition is a little wonky. Habs have 60 games left and Weber is back now, Petry is a righty an Juulsen won't take more than a month. Not to mention that Benn has often played the right side when needed. I say remove the condition and just make it a 3rd rounder. A 2nd is way too much for a dman who isn't that great to begin with and might not even play playoff minutes with a healthy team in front of him. (But still manage to get 30 games played)

The Calgary trade is simply not happening. Yeah sure they need playoff experience, any team wants to add it but at what cost? That's still 6M going back to Cgy long term and they don't have that kind of cap space. Shaw at 2.9 might be enticing for some teams but even if Alzner is at 3.6M, that way too much for a Dman who can;t even crack MTL's porous defense.

Not nearly enough in the LAK deal. Hags is a UFA at years end. There is no buyout to be had until the off season anyways. He'll be off the books at years end though so.... Plus he is not cap dump player. there are teams that will take him for the playoff push this year so he has value. Muzzin is a solid top 4 dman in the NHL. Many team will be lining up for him. Shinkaruk is fringe NHL'er whose more than likely a career AHL'er. Vejdemo is an ok prospect but definitely not a highly sought after one. The 1st rounder is the perfect starting point but its lacking some other key aspects to round it out that would push this offer to the top. Honestly I think Martinez is the more realistic target with what you are attempting to offer.


Yup, thanks for the clarifications.

I thought that Weber would've been out for longer and Byron too. I know Benn can play right side, but he can only be useful on the 3rd pair and nothing else, especially since Weber is back. He's really bad at puck possession and creates too much turnovers. I didn't trade him in this post since he hits UFA after the playoffs and can still play a shutdown/physical game if needed (Also, dat beard tho). He would need to go through the waivers though.

Rutta isn't that great, sure. But what if another right side D gets injured? Rutta's contract is up at the end of the season anyway.

The Calgary trade might not happen, now that Alzner has been through waivers. But nothing says a change of scenery will make him worse (a fresh start has great effects on players) For christ' sake, he's only 30. Maybe change the 1st rd pick from Calgary to a 2nd instead and modify the trade conditions. Lazar isn't even playing and he becomes a RFA at the end of the season. I also forgot to mention that he also briefly played with Drouin on the U-20 canadian national team and would therefore take Shaw's place on the current IRL 1st line quite nicely.

Hagelin may not be a sure thing, but take him away and LA would be receiving a lot for Muzzin (especially considering his stats this season). He will become more expensive as the trade deadline approaches. Martinez plays right-side also, so that won't work. You say that this trade is lacking in key aspects, but now for a 1 for 4 pieces trade, that seems enough to me (Don't forget to count C. Hillis in there, he has some real potential).
 
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