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Équipe: 2018-19 Wild du Minnesota
Date de création initiale: 18 nov. 2018
Publié: 18 nov. 2018
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18 nov. 2018 à 23 h 8
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I would like to think that Brodin has more value, but i suppose two picks in the top hundred are fairly significant.
18 nov. 2018 à 23 h 17
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Quoting: BillytheKid
I would like to think that Brodin has more value, but i suppose two picks in the top hundred are fairly significant.


i'd like to think i'm Ron Jeremy sometimes , doesnt make me instantly become a porn star with a foot long :P

Brodin is a shot blocking D and its taken its toll on him which contributes to him never completing a full seasons but the most concerning thing is his decline in Minutes in MIN from 23-24 mins at age 19-21 to 19-20 mins at age 23-25 which doesnt inspire confidence in someone looking for a top four #4 D like Ekhlom does for example .(fun fact , unlike Brodin .. Ekholm's Time on Ice actually increased as he got older )
18 nov. 2018 à 23 h 18
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That was quick, lol. I have to ask, why are you over him? If anything, these losses against Buffalo and Chicago showed why we need him. We couldn't bury a chance to save our lives and a guy like Nylander makes our chances of doing that much greater. We lack creativity in the offensive zone (except for Granlund who literally runs everything for us offensively which leads to him trying to do too much) and Nylander is one of the more creative players in the game. He's a dual threat with being able to make very good passes as well as having a lethal shot.

I think that's a pretty large overpayment for Bjugy. Bjugstad is basically a worse Charlie Coyle in every way except for his shot. He's also more expensive. So basically you're trading Brodin and picks for a poor man's Coyle.
18 nov. 2018 à 23 h 20
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Avs say no.
18 nov. 2018 à 23 h 21
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Quoting: Billy316
i'd like to think i'm Ron Jeremy sometimes , doesnt make me instantly become a porn star with a foot long :P

Brodin is a shot blocking D and its taken its toll on him which contributes to him never completing a full seasons but the most concerning thing is his decline in Minutes in MIN from 23-24 mins at age 19-21 to 19-20 mins at age 23-25 which doesnt inspire confidence in someone looking for a top four #4 D like Ekhlom does for example .(fun fact , unlike Brodin .. Ekholm's Time on Ice actually increased as he got older )


That was because of a change in coach. Boudreau plays him much less than Yeo/Torchetti did. Brodin is a very good stay at home defenseman that rarely makes mistakes. He does get injured for some games every year but he plays most of the season. He's a very very good #2 and a moderately below average #1 defenseman.
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18 nov. 2018 à 23 h 37
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That was because of a change in coach. Boudreau plays him much less than Yeo/Torchetti did. Brodin is a very good stay at home defenseman that rarely makes mistakes. He does get injured for some games every year but he plays most of the season. He's a very very good #2 and a moderately below average #1 defenseman.


all that means is the Coaches agreed with me :P

but seriously his minutes declined steadily under Yeo i checked in to this theory and Boudreau actually increased Brodin's minutes as soon as he came into MIN marking the first time in 3 years his minutes increased followed by Boudreau playing him a career low at under 19 and a half minutes this year .

but i also call Petry a #3 D who's only considered higher if there's no competition to remind people of his place/role.(there used to be Markov)

its not a bad thing , Noah Juulsen in MTL is basically a younger Brodin who hits and blocks shots and his ceiling is a #3 D on a contender which works out because Brook has a #1-2 shine to him with a great all around game.
18 nov. 2018 à 23 h 43
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That was because of a change in coach. Boudreau plays him much less than Yeo/Torchetti did. Brodin is a very good stay at home defenseman that rarely makes mistakes. He does get injured for some games every year but he plays most of the season. He's a very very good #2 and a moderately below average #1 defenseman.


beside #1 D average 25 + minutes minimum a game and Brodin's never seen anywhere near Ryan Suter minutes

Mike Reilly is actually beating Brodin in average ice time this year and playing the #2 role and with weber returning in a couple weeks his stock is about to go up as he's a playmaker so Weber and him will produce ( i mean Weber carried Beaulieu and Emelin at top line his first year Reilly is a big step up )
18 nov. 2018 à 23 h 49
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Here is the thing about Brodin.. He's a stay at home Defenseman, but he's not the typical Oger type, he's the excellent skating type. Dumba would not be where he is at if he hadn't been having Brodin covering for him allowing him into the line-up these past few years. Brodin is a very affordable contract with term and his ability to defend "with his feet"/skate is what makes him valuable, especially with the way the NHL is trending.
18 nov. 2018 à 23 h 58
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Quoting: Billy316
beside #1 D average 25 + minutes minimum a game and Brodin's never seen anywhere near Ryan Suter minutes

Mike Reilly is actually beating Brodin in average ice time this year and playing the #2 role and with weber returning in a couple weeks his stock is about to go up as he's a playmaker so Weber and him will produce ( i mean Weber carried Beaulieu and Emelin at top line his first year Reilly is a big step up )


Yes, but overall Brodin's minutes have been much lower under Boudreau than Yeo which is what I meant.

Oh I'm not saying Brodin is a #1D, I'm just saying if he were he'd be a moderately below average one, but still serviceable there. He's basically your perfect 2nd pairing shutdown player. He's been our best defender the past month (as in best player of defending the puck, I think Dumba has been our best defenseman). Mike Reilly is beating Brodin in minutes because Mike Rielly doesn't have Ryan Suter in front of him in the lineup who plays 26 minutes per night. The Habs run their 3 pairings much more evenly than the Wild, so it's not a very fair comparison. When you start thinking about Ryan Suter's longevity, it's impossible to play him the almost 30 minutes he use to play every game, so I think the effect you're seeing with Brodin's decreasing in ice time is more the emergence of Seeler which has allowed Boudreau to play Suter and Brodin less than he used to. It doesn't mean Brodin and Suter are bad, it just means Boudreau has more trust in his 3rd pairing.
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19 nov. 2018 à 0 h 4
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Quoting: arousedcat
That was quick, lol. I have to ask, why are you over him? If anything, these losses against Buffalo and Chicago showed why we need him. We couldn't bury a chance to save our lives and a guy like Nylander makes our chances of doing that much greater. We lack creativity in the offensive zone (except for Granlund who literally runs everything for us offensively which leads to him trying to do too much) and Nylander is one of the more creative players in the game. He's a dual threat with being able to make very good passes as well as having a lethal shot.

I think that's a pretty large overpayment for Bjugy. Bjugstad is basically a worse Charlie Coyle in every way except for his shot. He's also more expensive. So basically you're trading Brodin and picks for a poor man's Coyle.


the cost is to much for the wild. dumba i would hate but that would have to be the player the top 4 d i like changing brodin for zadorov is almost a even but get larger and more phyical. i think we can find another player maybe not of age or skill but someone else who can fill in for 50+points at a cheaper cost all round. i never looked at byugy stats just heard at the begiining of the year there was talk
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19 nov. 2018 à 0 h 12
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the cost is to much for the wild. dumba i would hate but that would have to be the player the top 4 d i like changing brodin for zadorov is almost a even but get larger and more phyical. i think we can find another player maybe not of age or skill but someone else who can fill in for 50+points at a cheaper cost all round. i never looked at byugy stats just heard at the begiining of the year there was talk


The problem is the Wild already have a ton of 50-60 point guys. Zucker, Nino, Coyle, Koivu, Probably Staal this year, most likely Greenway, Kunin, and hopefully Eriksson Ek in the future, they're all in that range. Granlund is a very good player but he's not "elite", and the Wild lack a true game-changer. I think Nylander could become that guy and his game fits better as a center than a winger which is an additional benefit. I don't like the idea of trading Dumba for him either, though. If Dumba is the price and Fenton is willing to pay that, I'd hope dearly that we could get Liljegren in a package with Nylander. I don't think Liljegren's upside is quite as high as Dumba's but he could still be a top line player some day.
19 nov. 2018 à 0 h 16
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Yes, but overall Brodin's minutes have been much lower under Boudreau than Yeo which is what I meant.

Oh I'm not saying Brodin is a #1D, I'm just saying if he were he'd be a moderately below average one, but still serviceable there. He's basically your perfect 2nd pairing shutdown player. He's been our best defender the past month (as in best player of defending the puck, I think Dumba has been our best defenseman). Mike Reilly is beating Brodin in minutes because Mike Rielly doesn't have Ryan Suter in front of him in the lineup who plays 26 minutes per night. The Habs run their 3 pairings much more evenly than the Wild, so it's not a very fair comparison. When you start thinking about Ryan Suter's longevity, it's impossible to play him the almost 30 minutes he use to play every game, so I think the effect you're seeing with Brodin's decreasing in ice time is more the emergence of Seeler which has allowed Boudreau to play Suter and Brodin less than he used to. It doesn't mean Brodin and Suter are bad, it just means Boudreau has more trust in his 3rd pairing.


my point was both Yeo and Brodin rewarded him followed by minutes cut and there is only so many times the coach can be blamed .

Dumba is your 2nd best D and honestly even though he's not Suter level if Suter were to get traded i truly believe Dumba could shoulder and thrive as #1 D .

MIN has a strong LD core that carry's the weight of minute and MTL has a strong RD core doing the same as far as the Reilly Comparison it doesnt need to be fair because life isnt but all jokes aside it was mostly stated to point out someone MIN decided had little value trading him for a later round pick is matching Brodin's play with similar advanced stats and even age . what you are trying to build up in value your GM's already declared the value on by trading Reilly. if you're not an OD the odd of you ever playing top pair on a contender asre slim to none with most DD expected to contribute 20-25 points a year to play as a 3rd D at best and a 4th D if not .

Brodin's value is much like Juulsen's to MTL , neither of us will trade them because replacing them will cost more then we'd get for giving them up as D like these are usually targeted before they become free agents by contenders (think Timmonen,Hainsey ,Streit , ext )
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