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Pietro

Créé par: SammyT_51
Équipe: 2018-19 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 14 oct. 2018
Publié: 14 oct. 2018
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Transactions
TOR
  1. Bouwmeester, Jay
  2. Kyrou, Jordan
  3. Pietrangelo, Alex
Détails additionnels:
What does this trade mean.. St. Louis get younger in defensive department (Zaitsev not so younger but Liljegren is definitely younger and great player, but I feel like Pietro is great fit in Toronto and I know STL fans would not like this trade but trust me its good) and great winger that can easily be placed on top line and have point per game average or higher. Its basically Liljegren for Kyrou (which is fair) and 2nd (could be 1st if necessary), Nylander and Zaitsev for Pietrangelo who is one of the top defenders in the league (and Bouwmeester to make cap work). I think its fair deal, what do you think?
STL
  1. Liljegren, Timothy
  2. Zaitsev, Nikita
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2019 (TOR)
Détails additionnels:
Nylander
Rachats de contrats
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2379 500 000 $68 666 666 $2 550 000 $5 582 500 $10 833 334 $

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UFA - 3
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NMC
UFA - 7
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894 167 $894 167 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
AD
UFA - 1
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AG, C
NMC
UFA - 2
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance2 850 000 $$3M)
C
UFA - 1
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UFA - 1
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787 500 $787 500 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
C
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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758 333 $758 333 $ (Bonis de performance182 500 $$182K)
AD
UFA - 3
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925 000 $925 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
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UFA - 1
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AD, AG
UFA - 2
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 4
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6 500 000 $6 500 000 $
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NTC
UFA - 2
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
G
M-NTC
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863 333 $863 333 $
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
DD
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675 000 $675 000 $
G
UFA - 1
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4 050 000 $4 050 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
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3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
DD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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650 000 $650 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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5 300 000 $5 300 000 $
AD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2
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NTC
UFA - 1
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14 oct. 2018 à 4 h 32
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STL isn't going to bite on that. Pietrangelo is a 10 all world Defenseman, there's no way you get him for that. Nylander is great, but you're going to have to overpay him just to get him signed, Zaitsev is a bum who's on a stinker of a contract, Liljegren is a good prospect but their giving up a prospect of equal or greater value in Kyrou.

St Louis isn't looking to "get younger in the defence department". They are looking to contend for a cup now, and sending their super stud defenceman to a potential cup contender Is not how you go about it. Their defence and forward groups are both rock solid. The only big moves they'd be looking at making is upgrading on Jake Allen.
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14 oct. 2018 à 4 h 38
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STL isn't going to bite on that. Pietrangelo is a 10 all world Defenseman, there's no way you get him for that. Nylander is great, but you're going to have to overpay him just to get him signed, Zaitsev is a bum who's on a stinker of a contract, Liljegren is a good prospect but their giving up a prospect of equal or greater value in Kyrou.

St Louis isn't looking to "get younger in the defence department". They are looking to contend for a cup now, and sending their super stud defenceman to a potential cup contender Is not how you go about it. Their defence and forward groups are both rock solid. The only big moves they'd be looking at making is upgrading on Jake Allen.


Zaitsev plays greatly in this season and last season was a fluke and that would never happen. Parayko is ready to make step into no1 defender territory and this move brings more depth to STL. Maybe a 1st rounder instead of 2nd would help. Liljegren is great prospect who has tools to be one of the better offensive defencemen in the league. I see a point you are making and I acknowledge that and respect that. I was just trying to make something that would satisfy both of fanbases. And seems like its bad so I would work on that.
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14 oct. 2018 à 6 h 39
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First off. Real easy no from the blues.
Why do you say things like nylander can be a point per game player? He hasn’t...
Why do you think Liljegren is such a “great player?”
14 oct. 2018 à 7 h 8
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First off. Real easy no from the blues.
Why do you say things like nylander can be a point per game player? He hasn’t...
Why do you think Liljegren is such a “great player?”


First off. I can see Blues saying easy no. But the point of this was to make discussion and make the best trade possible as my other posts are. I want you to say something that would help me get into the best possible outcome for each team.

As for Nylander.. he is player who scored back to back 60+ point season within terms of his ELC which was done by not so many players and players who did that are of the caliber of Kucherov, Gaudreau, Panarin (older than regular rookie), Stamkos, Rantanen, Tavares, Backstrom who are point per game players. Nylander would be point per game player in a year or two, trust me.

As for Liljegren. He played AHL at 18yrs old which alone is something great and his game is evolving, he plays responsible game in his own zone and is dangerous in offensive zone. He learns fast and is very intelligent player. He has all the essentials in his game to be good. But mostly I would say that his technical abilities stand out the most for me. His vision is very very good. he is rough in some areas of the game but he has improved a lot since draft, he is just 19yrs old and already playing 4th year of professional hockey (2 seasons with Rogle BK in SHL which is imo best league in europe before Marlies). There is a lot of room to grow to but he is already a great great prospect, he would be great player and im not saying that as Leafs fan but person for whom scouting is passion. Some people compare him to EK which is stupid, but Id say he would be great player (close to Duncan Keith).
14 oct. 2018 à 9 h 22
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Quoting: SammyT_51
First off. I can see Blues saying easy no. But the point of this was to make discussion and make the best trade possible as my other posts are. I want you to say something that would help me get into the best possible outcome for each team.

As for Nylander.. he is player who scored back to back 60+ point season within terms of his ELC which was done by not so many players and players who did that are of the caliber of Kucherov, Gaudreau, Panarin (older than regular rookie), Stamkos, Rantanen, Tavares, Backstrom who are point per game players. Nylander would be point per game player in a year or two, trust me.

As for Liljegren. He played AHL at 18yrs old which alone is something great and his game is evolving, he plays responsible game in his own zone and is dangerous in offensive zone. He learns fast and is very intelligent player. He has all the essentials in his game to be good. But mostly I would say that his technical abilities stand out the most for me. His vision is very very good. he is rough in some areas of the game but he has improved a lot since draft, he is just 19yrs old and already playing 4th year of professional hockey (2 seasons with Rogle BK in SHL which is imo best league in europe before Marlies). There is a lot of room to grow to but he is already a great great prospect, he would be great player and im not saying that as Leafs fan but person for whom scouting is passion. Some people compare him to EK which is stupid, but Id say he would be great player (close to Duncan Keith).


If you think so highly of Liligren why not wait a year for him to go to Toronto
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If you think so highly of Liligren why not wait a year for him to go to Toronto


Because Pietrangelo is levels better than Liljegren.
14 oct. 2018 à 11 h 12
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Quoting: SammyT_51
First off. I can see Blues saying easy no. But the point of this was to make discussion and make the best trade possible as my other posts are. I want you to say something that would help me get into the best possible outcome for each team.

As for Nylander.. he is player who scored back to back 60+ point season within terms of his ELC which was done by not so many players and players who did that are of the caliber of Kucherov, Gaudreau, Panarin (older than regular rookie), Stamkos, Rantanen, Tavares, Backstrom who are point per game players. Nylander would be point per game player in a year or two, trust me.

As for Liljegren. He played AHL at 18yrs old which alone is something great and his game is evolving, he plays responsible game in his own zone and is dangerous in offensive zone. He learns fast and is very intelligent player. He has all the essentials in his game to be good. But mostly I would say that his technical abilities stand out the most for me. His vision is very very good. he is rough in some areas of the game but he has improved a lot since draft, he is just 19yrs old and already playing 4th year of professional hockey (2 seasons with Rogle BK in SHL which is imo best league in europe before Marlies). There is a lot of room to grow to but he is already a great great prospect, he would be great player and im not saying that as Leafs fan but person for whom scouting is passion. Some people compare him to EK which is stupid, but Id say he would be great player (close to Duncan Keith).


Trust you? Dude you sound like trump, just constantly making absurd claims and saying "trust me."
Putting nylander in the same category as those players is an absolute joke. Back to back stagnant 61 point seasons with 31% of those on the powerplay playing with Matthews. No, I'm not going to trust you that nylander will magically take a huge step forward, and neither will the blues. Trust you? Get real.

Kudos on having a teenager in the ahl, but that doesn't make anyone great. He's a good prospect, but the leafs blue line is trash, if he were great he'd be in the NHL.

This is brutal, and very lopsided in favor of the leafs, trust me, trust me.
14 oct. 2018 à 11 h 26
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Pietrangelo is an elite #1 defensemen who is a rhd in his prime. Were talking marner, liljergen and maybe more.
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Because Pietrangelo is levels better than Liljegren.


Yeah right now he is , but the potential is there and that is what he is trying to say just the potential of Nylander and Liljegren is equal to Pietrangelo , the other players in the trade do not really make sense but I do feel like with the trade he made was unfair on St Louis side.
14 oct. 2018 à 12 h 53
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St. Louis are desperate looking forward to win their first cup RIGHT NOW. So, trade their best d-man and one of thr best all around d-man of the league "to get younger in defense department" would be a terrible and nonsense move. Specially when you trade him to another contender.

It's NEVER gonna happen.
 
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