It very well could! This trade is looking worse and worse by the day.

Now why do I get the feeling that you mean San Jose won though lol...

Now I certainly understand why SJ did the deal, and EK helped him get to the Cup Final. But geez due to injury he wasn't the player he one was in his final two years in Ottawa. Then SJ compounded their problem by overpaying their own UFA in Karlsson. It's the old situation GMs get in, they try to justify a UFA or maybe a RFA trade by signing the player acquired to an poor extension.

Ya I agree.

Though EK did not help them make the finals.

Well they didn't hit on Wright, let's see with Bedard next year.

thIs agED liKE FInE winE!

randomly returned to this forum. I'm really enjoying reading these

Wonder when were gonna see another trade like this

This offseason JT Miller!!!

Matthews next season if Toronto fails again, and if he won't discuss a contract before July 1st 2023 when his NMC kicks in.

Toronto will get a huge package similar to this, even without an extension. Although, it should be noted, at the time of the Karlsson trade this package was seen as a huge let down. San Jose's pick was projected to be in the 15-31 type range, and Norris was seen as a future 3C not a future star.

Hey, I guess you were right.

lmao same

Coming back to this years later and it's honestly funny how perceptions change.

In exchange for a Karlsson with no ankles who would end up getting a 8x11.5 mil boat anchor contract, the Sens got Stützle and Norris.

True

This is probably the most interesting trade in at least the past 5 years (if not 10).

OTT got:
- Chris Tierney/Dylan Demel/Balcers: Cap dumps, no need to talk about this much
- 2020 1st (Tim Stuzle): Is this good value? Yes, was it predicted that the Sharks would be terrible at the time? No. I think the Sens just got very lucky here and end up with a very good centre
- 2021 2nd (Zach Opstachuk): long shot prospect, could he be good in the future? Yes. But for right now, Meh
- 2019 2nd (Jamieson Rees): I honestly don't know who this is so no comment
- Josh Norris: Long shot prospect who's currently not able to stay healthy if his life depended on it

SJ got:
- Francis Perron: Really a nothing asset
- Erik Karlson: 100+ point defensemen, signs the most amount of money/season for a current denfensmen, helped SJ get to conference finals and 2nd round but demanded a trade which caused his value to drop.

What do I think of the trade, 5 years later: Ottawa got very lucky with how poorly SJ's preformance and SJ was stupid to put in the condition... SJ screwed up the contract negotiation and Karlson has only showed up in 1/5 of his tenure as a Shark

The Senators got lucky. Norris was projected as a 3C or most optimistically a middle 6C. The most optimistic fans thought that maybe San Jose might have a down year and Ottawa could pick in the 10-16 type range. It was clear they were an ageing team, but nobody expected 3re overall.

Add in the additional luck of LAK taking Byfield. Ottawa had Stutzle at 2 on their internal list. So Ottawa effectively got a 2nd overall pick out of the Karlsson trade.

The Duchene trade is a bit similar, only that unlike the Karlsson trade, people already felt that Ottawa overpaid for Duchene on day 1, and then it just got worse. Nobody thought San Jose overpaid by giving up a possible late 1st and a handful of B and C level assets for Karlsson.

If Sogaard pans out as a star goalie for Ottawa, it might be the closest thing we will ever see in hockey to a Herschel Walker type trade. 1C, 1G, and 2C all filled for 10 years out of one trade.

It's a shame there aren't more mechanisms for teams to move around cap. Like maybe retention that can be spread out over a longer period of time. Karlsson is basically held hostage on a rebuilding team, and San Jose is prevented from getting assets for someone playing like a franchise player. All because the salary cap makes Karlsson, even as a franchise player, a toxic asset.

I do think (looking back on it), SJ doing so poorly, makes this deal so interesting because of the what-ifs and the contract now makes Karlsson unmovable, even at his best. IDT But a helped Karlsson be better bc of the need to share prime ice time unlike Ottawa which would explain the underperformance of the once stacked Sharks

I feel the only mechanisms needed to "get around cap", is not let stupid GMs have so much power that make awful trades and resignings. As bad as the trade might have been for SJ, it was the resigning of EK that made it so much worse. Like the Tkachuk trade to Florida. Thought the Flames did well getting Huberdeau, Weager and a first. But Flames make a mistake that will haunt them for eight years when they resigned Huberdeau to a 10.5m X 8 year externsion starting at age 30.

Wrong Leafs player lol

Rees is a Carolina prospect. Probably a long shot since he hasn't played an NHL game yet, but Ottawa traded this pick to Carolina to move up and pick Mads Sogaard. So you can probably count Sogaard among the assets Ottawa got for Karlsson, though they had to give Carolina a 3rd-round pick that wasn't part of the Karlsson trade to move up.

I'm just breaking down the trade itself... Not really counting any additional trades like DeMelo to WPJ etc.

To quote @Tntpod , “thIs agED liKE FInE winE!”

Why? I didn't say Matthews wouldn't extend. I said he would get a return if he wouldn't discuss a contract before his NMC kicked in.

While he didn't sign prior to July 1st, they pretty clearly were already in discussions and had a mutual understanding that there would be an extension, which made the NMC deadline irrelevant. It wasn't a "I want to play out the season" type scenario.

I am all for a good badly aged post, and I am sure like most people I have a lot of them, but you're looking for something that isn't there.

This aged horribly.