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June 18 - What they should do.

Créé par: DirtyDangles
Équipe: 2018-19 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 18 juin 2018
Publié: 18 juin 2018
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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Trade down and draft Kotkaniemi at 8OA

Are these values close?
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RFAANSCAP HIT
31 750 000 $
3900 000 $
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MTL
  1. Bjugstad, Nick
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2018 (FLA)
FLA
  1. Pacioretty, Max
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2018 (WSH)
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BUF
  1. Hudon, Charles
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2018 (FLA)
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2018 (CHI)
  4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2018 (TOR)
3.
MTL
  1. Choix de 6e ronde en 2019 (DAL)
4.
MTL
  1. Anisimov, Artem
  2. Gustafsson, Erik
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2018 (CHI)
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2018 (NSH)
CHI
  1. Danault, Phillip
  2. Schlemko, David
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2018 (MTL)
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2019
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2020
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2380 000 000 $68 112 975 $0 $782 500 $11 887 025 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 5
1 875 000 $1 875 000 $
C
UFA - 5
3 750 000 $3 750 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 3
3 150 000 $3 150 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 2
4 550 000 $4 550 000 $
C, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 3
839 166 $839 166 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
1 166 667 $1 166 667 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
2 050 000 $2 050 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 3
950 000 $950 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
900 000 $900 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 2
3 900 000 $3 900 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 4
5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
AG
M-NTC
UFA - 1
650 000 $650 000 $
C
UFA - 1
863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance175 000 $$175K)
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
748 333 $748 333 $ (Bonis de performance182 500 $$182K)
DG/DD
UFA - 2
7 857 143 $7 857 143 $
DD
UFA - 8
10 500 000 $10 500 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 8
4 625 000 $4 625 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 4
5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
DD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 3
950 000 $950 000 $
G
UFA - 1
725 000 $725 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance425 000 $$425K)
DD
UFA - 2
1 200 000 $1 200 000 $
DG
UFA - 2

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18 juin 2018 à 10 h 14
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Not very interesting for Buffalo, it doesn't help us at the moment. You don't have to touch Moulson at all, he's got one year on the contract, and we have plenty of room under the cap.
18 juin 2018 à 10 h 20
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Not very interesting for Buffalo, it doesn't help us at the moment. You don't have to touch Moulson at all, he's got one year on the contract, and we have plenty of room under the cap.


BUF is atrocious on LW. When Hudon was given a chance he has played fairly well. He could easily be your top LWer as of right now (because what else is there). Obviously they should try and sign a guy like Neal or JVR but chances of that are likely fairly slim. Could always swap Hudon with Lehkonen but then TOR's 2nd would likely turn to a 4th.
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18 juin 2018 à 10 h 37
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Quoting: DirtyDangles
BUF is atrocious on LW. When Hudon was given a chance he has played fairly well. He could easily be your top LWer as of right now (because what else is there). Obviously they should try and sign a guy like Neal or JVR but chances of that are likely fairly slim. Could always swap Hudon with Lehkonen but then TOR's 2nd would likely turn to a 4th.


Hudon can be a good player, but I would like to get a stronger player than him if we traded ROR, elections in the draft is certainly interesting, but I want to see victory now, not another prospect.
18 juin 2018 à 10 h 45
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Hudon can be a good player, but I would like to get a stronger player than him if we traded ROR, elections in the draft is certainly interesting, but I want to see victory now, not another prospect.


Buffalo is a long way away from competing IMO. You win by developing prospects. The more you have the better chances that you will win in the future. For example, it has taken Hextall 4 years to bring the Flyers prospect pool from nothing to one of the best in the league. Buffalo is a long way off of what the FLyers are so you are likely looking at 4-5 years to be competitive.
18 juin 2018 à 10 h 50
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Buffalo is a long way away from competing IMO. You win by developing prospects. The more you have the better chances that you will win in the future. For example, it has taken Hextall 4 years to bring the Flyers prospect pool from nothing to one of the best in the league. Buffalo is a long way off of what the FLyers are so you are likely looking at 4-5 years to be competitive.


I didn't say that we'll be competing right now, but I don't want to wait five years, look at our squad, we have a great young core in the face of Eichel, Risto, Reinhart, Mittelstadt, Guhle, will add Dahlin, 1-2 years and we need to be in the playoffs, if we will trade in second rounds this worthlessness we are not mainstream, we already have enough good prospects, we need strong players, not prospects.
18 juin 2018 à 10 h 55
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I didn't say that we'll be competing right now, but I don't want to wait five years, look at our squad, we have a great young core in the face of Eichel, Risto, Reinhart, Mittelstadt, Guhle, will add Dahlin, 1-2 years and we need to be in the playoffs, if we will trade in second rounds this worthlessness we are not mainstream, we already have enough good prospects, we need strong players, not prospects.


Having 3-4 good prospects isn't near enough. You are banking on those guys making the NHL and without more prospect depth, they basically have to! You win by building through the draft in the Cap era. If your GM can't hit on 2nd rounders then maybe there is an organizational issue there.
18 juin 2018 à 11 h 0
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Why draft Kotkaniemi if you traded for three centers? Draft a LHD
18 juin 2018 à 11 h 6
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Why draft Kotkaniemi if you traded for three centers? Draft a LHD


Bjuger is better off at RW so when Kotkaniemi is ready he can slot into the 2C or 3C position and Anisimov could possibly move down to 3C. You MUST be deep down the middle if you want to win.
18 juin 2018 à 11 h 7
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Quoting: TheRiddler
Hudon can be a good player, but I would like to get a stronger player than him if we traded ROR, elections in the draft is certainly interesting, but I want to see victory now, not another prospect.


So basically Hudon and a mid 1st could is fair return, but Pacioretty is not? You want goals, victory now and LW depth. I don't size you.
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So basically Hudon and a mid 1st could is fair return, but Pacioretty is not? You want goals, victory now and LW depth. I don't size you.


Take a look at the time left on contracts...that means something.
18 juin 2018 à 11 h 9
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I know but I would prefer have Hughes than Alzner! Draft center with the second and the late first.
18 juin 2018 à 11 h 11
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I know but I would prefer have Hughes than Alzner! Draft center with the second and the late first.


I think you are better off taking a C as your D is fairly decent as is. If you want to draft Hughes you might as well trade Mete.
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So basically Hudon and a mid 1st could is fair return, but Pacioretty is not? You want goals, victory now and LW depth. I don't size you.


Where did I say it was a fair return? I just said it's not very interesting for Buffalo at the moment, I don't think we need to trade ROR for futures. Pacioretty for ROR I think is a very bad deal for Buffalo. Contract, age, position, is not a very good season, not sure what kind of player Buffalo needs at the moment. And we'll give it all to ROR? No thanks.
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Quoting: DirtyDangles
Take a look at the time left on contracts...that means something.


He still have a full year at an unbelievable discount. At some point if you want good players, you'll have to pay for them. Every pure goal scorer makes around 7M$ +, that is the price that the market command. Extension could be sign right away, no?
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He still have a full year at an unbelievable discount. At some point if you want good players, you'll have to pay for them. Every pure goal scorer makes around 7M$ +, that is the price that the market command. Extension could be sign right away, no?


Yes extensions could be signed but I am 90% sure Pacioretty is heading out the door. He is 29 and had a huge dip in productivity this year. Do you think he is worth 2 firsts or something, because he isn't!
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Having 3-4 good prospects isn't near enough. You are banking on those guys making the NHL and without more prospect depth, they basically have to! You win by building through the draft in the Cap era. If your GM can't hit on 2nd rounders then maybe there is an organizational issue there.


What's with round two? You don't know what I'm saying. I told you that we have a lot of good promising players at the moment, our AHL team is just filled with them, but maybe they need another year, why do we now trade ROR for a lot of second rounds? I see two trade ROR options that I like. Either it's a strong player like ROR in return, or it's a variant of Richards ' deal when they traded for Simmonds and Schenn.
18 juin 2018 à 11 h 22
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Yes extensions could be signed but I am 90% sure Pacioretty is heading out the door. He is 29 and had a huge dip in productivity this year. Do you think he is worth 2 firsts or something, because he isn't!


Obviously extension would be mandatory to the deal. Pacioretty just want to play hockey and earn the big bucks. He spent all his career with MTL, I could see him play a major role in a team rebuild. As for his value, i'm not sure. On Feb 2018 Evander Kane was traded for a 1st and prospect... IMO Pacioretty is better than Kane.
18 juin 2018 à 11 h 37
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What's with round two? You don't know what I'm saying. I told you that we have a lot of good promising players at the moment, our AHL team is just filled with them, but maybe they need another year, why do we now trade ROR for a lot of second rounds? I see two trade ROR options that I like. Either it's a strong player like ROR in return, or it's a variant of Richards ' deal when they traded for Simmonds and Schenn.


You are right, I don't know what you are saying. Who are these young promising prospects? Guhle looks like he could be a 3rd pairing D man. You seem to be thinking that BUF can compete sooner than they actually can. Your winger situation is absolute trash and is going to take time to build because no decent UFA is going to sign in BUF
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Obviously extension would be mandatory to the deal. Pacioretty just want to play hockey and earn the big bucks. He spent all his career with MTL, I could see him play a major role in a team rebuild. As for his value, i'm not sure. On Feb 2018 Evander Kane was traded for a 1st and prospect... IMO Pacioretty is better than Kane.


Why would an extension be "mandatory" in a Patches deal? Florida needs wingers and he would fit there nicely. Florida can work on the extension themselves.
18 juin 2018 à 11 h 44
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You are right, I don't know what you are saying. Who are these young promising prospects? Guhle looks like he could be a 3rd pairing D man. You seem to be thinking that BUF can compete sooner than they actually can. Your winger situation is absolute trash and is going to take time to build because no decent UFA is going to sign in BUF


Guhle, Nylander, Olofsson, Pu, Asplund, Ullmark, now signed Pilut from Sweden. There are other guys like C.J. Smith, O'Regan, Baptiste and Bailey who might surprise you next season in Buffalo. We just need to add a couple of strong wingers to the top 6 and maybe sign another defender for the top 4. And here's something I want to get for ROR, not Hudon and the draft election.
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Guhle, Nylander, Olofsson, Pu, Asplund, Ullmark, now signed Pilut from Sweden. There are other guys like C.J. Smith, O'Regan, Baptiste and Bailey who might surprise you next season in Buffalo. We just need to add a couple of strong wingers to the top 6 and maybe sign another defender for the top 4. And here's something I want to get for ROR, not Hudon and the draft election.


None of these guys are high end prospects other than maybe Ullmark. Nylander has had multiple opportunites to play in the NHL and can't handle it. He may never be an NHLer.
18 juin 2018 à 11 h 48
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None of these guys are high end prospects other than maybe Ullmark. Nylander has had multiple opportunites to play in the NHL and can't handle it. He may never be an NHLer.


You're just ignorant about the prospects of Buffalo, you probably have not even seen how they play, their statistics, their data, and I saw and know why you're trying to impose on me your unreasonable opinion, if you know less than me in relation to the Buffalo system and their players.
18 juin 2018 à 12 h 19
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You're just ignorant about the prospects of Buffalo, you probably have not even seen how they play, their statistics, their data, and I saw and know why you're trying to impose on me your unreasonable opinion, if you know less than me in relation to the Buffalo system and their players.


Please elaborate as to how they are high end prospects...Maybe 2-3 guys have the potential to be top 6 forwards.
18 juin 2018 à 12 h 27
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Please elaborate as to how they are high end prospects...Maybe 2-3 guys have the potential to be top 6 forwards.


Yes, now I will tell you about everyone. I have nothing more to do. In short, it is only in this season came to us SHL best scorer, best defender SHL, and a good playmaker-center in the face Asplund, Pu showed good results in University playing with Bouchard, Nylander still unproven, he is very talented, but he had injuries, but he showed good progress in the second half of the season. And this is only a small part of the players, there are many interesting guys who can surprise. I do not expect the playoffs next season, and maybe even through second season, too, do not wait, although at least for the wild card try to fight, but after two seasons, I already expect the playoffs, unless of course the management will not do such things as Bergevin.
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Yes, now I will tell you about everyone. I have nothing more to do. In short, it is only in this season came to us SHL best scorer, best defender SHL, and a good playmaker-center in the face Asplund, Pu showed good results in University playing with Bouchard, Nylander still unproven, he is very talented, but he had injuries, but he showed good progress in the second half of the season. And this is only a small part of the players, there are many interesting guys who can surprise. I do not expect the playoffs next season, and maybe even through second season, too, do not wait, although at least for the wild card try to fight, but after two seasons, I already expect the playoffs, unless of course the management will not do such things as Bergevin.


Well good for you being optimistic but BUF will not be playoff contenders for 3-5 years. Dahlin is NOT McDavid.
 
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