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(OTT / PIT / VGK) - 3-Way Derick Brassard Trade

23 févr. 2018 à 19 h 35
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Reaves seems to be going to VGK
23 févr. 2018 à 19 h 45
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Reaves seems to be going to VGK


where did you read that?

Edit: Saw it was Jimmy Murphy. Guy is one of the biggest clowns in the industry. I usually dont believe anything he says so i'll wait for someone else to confirm
23 févr. 2018 à 20 h 18
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where did you read that?

Edit: Saw it was Jimmy Murphy. Guy is one of the biggest clowns in the industry. I usually dont believe anything he says so i'll wait for someone else to confirm


My guess is he saw Reaves scratched tonight. I think that has more to do with Hornqvist being back than a trade, though.
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23 févr. 2018 à 20 h 29
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My guess is he saw Reaves scratched tonight. I think that has more to do with Hornqvist being back than a trade, though.


Reaves isn’t scratched
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23 févr. 2018 à 20 h 59
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23 févr. 2018 à 21 h 1
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23 févr. 2018 à 21 h 2
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jimmy murphy was right, for the first time in trade rumor history
23 févr. 2018 à 21 h 13
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Reaves isn’t scratched


Reaves is definitely scratched lol. I'm watching the game right now.
23 févr. 2018 à 21 h 27
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FINAL TRADE:

To Pittsburgh:
Derrick Brassard (40% retained by Vegas)
Vince Dunn (not the St. Louis d-man)
Tobias Lindberg
2018 3rd (OTT)

To Ottawa:
Filip Gustavsson
Ian Cole
2018 1st (PIT)
2019 3rd (PIT)

To Vegas:
Ryan Reaves
2018 4th (VAN)
23 févr. 2018 à 21 h 34
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I feel like vegas could've gotten more. They were the placeholder for Brassard getting to pittsburgh. Although JR could've just called another team with a lot of cap
23 févr. 2018 à 21 h 48
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Quoting: TonyStrecher
FINAL TRADE:

To Pittsburgh:
Derrick Brassard (40% retained by Vegas)
Vince Dunn (not the St. Louis d-man)
Tobias Lindberg
2018 3rd (OTT)

To Ottawa:
Filip Gustavsson
Ian Cole
2018 1st (PIT)
2019 3rd (PIT)

To Vegas:
Ryan Reaves
2018 4th (VAN)


wow, 3 trades in 1
23 févr. 2018 à 21 h 50
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Quoting: Pasta88Sauce
I feel like vegas could've gotten more. They were the placeholder for Brassard getting to pittsburgh. Although JR could've just called another team with a lot of cap


Your last point is what made it happen. Any Bottom 5 team would take this deal
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23 févr. 2018 à 21 h 52
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Quoting: rangersandislesfan
Reaves seems to be going to VGK


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23 févr. 2018 à 22 h 25
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Your last point is what made it happen. Any Bottom 5 team would take this deal


supposedly there is more to it than this. John Shannon said vegas got involved to keep brassard out of the west. I mean its starting to make sense
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23 févr. 2018 à 23 h 25
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Here is the final trade in the end. Note- Vegas also retained 40% of Brassards contract.
The site now reflects the trade.



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24 févr. 2018 à 1 h 22
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Quoting: mtdavis311
It's an interesting situation without precedent.

Let's say Vegas, in theory, sends their 2018 1st round pick to Ottawa for Brassard (50% retained).
Pittsburgh then sends Cole, Gustavsson, and their 2018 1st to Ottawa for Vegas's 2018 1st.
Pittsburgh then sends Vegas's 2018 1st back as well as, say a future 2nd or 3rd round pick, to Vegas for Brassard (50% retained).

It's' clearly a premeditated move to lower a player's cap cost, but I don't see how it breaks any rules that I'm aware of in the CBA...


It's likely a situation that has been discussed but nothing ever materialized for the league to make a final decision on. With the trade adjustment that did get approved, it seems that there is now a soft rule that a player cannot be retained by two teams in a single transaction.

Cap circumvention isn't explicitly covered in the CBA, which is likely intentional. It allows the league to make a ruling on things like this, instead of having their hands tied because they didn't consider a possibility. Closes potential loopholes as they appear, rather than being handcuffed until the next CBA.

I do think Vegas could have gotten a prospect instead of Reaves, but they've been doing well in terms of getting good use out of other team's cast offs, so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
24 févr. 2018 à 6 h 15
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Here is the final trade in the end. Note- Vegas also retained 40% of Brassards contract.
The site now reflects the trade.





I still think Pitts wins! Go Pens go!
24 févr. 2018 à 6 h 18
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Quoting: Jarvis
Here is the final trade in the end. Note- Vegas also retained 40% of Brassards contract.
The site now reflects the trade.





Thanks for editing my post during the night.
24 févr. 2018 à 21 h 30
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imagine Garth Snow, Jim Benning, and Peter Chiarelli trying to pull this kind of deal off
24 févr. 2018 à 22 h 49
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imagine Garth Snow, Jim Benning, and Peter Chiarelli trying to pull this kind of deal off


It'll go something like this:

SNOW: "Im intrested in Nugent-Hopkins and would want to trade Josh Bailey even tho I just signed him and I dont really know what Im doing but Id still like to trade him. Plus I would like to trade Thomas Greiss and my 2018 1st. Ill retain on the 1st but I will not retain on the players."

CHIARELLI: "Deal"

BENNING: "I want in. Eriksson is otb, so I can throw him in as well."

SNOW: "Ok so Bailey + Greiss goes to Edmonton, Nuge + Eriksson come here and Benning you get my 1st and its retained somehow."

BENNING: "I dont understand but its fine by me."

DORION: "Hol' up"

...


CHIARELLI: "Deal."

SNOW: "Im confused as sh*t."

CHIARELLI: "WHY DONT WE JUST DO A 1 FOR 1 FOR 1 FOR 1???"

CHIARELLI: "Deal"

SNOW + BENNING: "???"

CHIARELLI: "Draisaitl to the Islanders, Karlsson to the Canucks, Greiss to me, Eriksson to the Sens."

SNOW: "Great. Ill add my 2018 1st."

CHIARELLI: "Naaah, Im good. Lets keep it simple here. Dont want too much work amiright??"
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24 févr. 2018 à 22 h 53
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It'll go something like this:

SNOW: "Im intrested in Nugent-Hopkins and would want to trade Josh Bailey even tho I just signed him and I dont really know what Im doing but Id still like to trade him. Plus I would like to trade Thomas Greiss and my 2018 1st. Ill retain on the 1st but I will not retain on the players."

CHIARELLI: "Deal"

BENNING: "I want in. Eriksson is otb, so I can throw him in as well."

SNOW: "Ok so Bailey + Greiss goes to Edmonton, Nuge + Eriksson come here and Benning you get my 1st and its retained somehow."

BENNING: "I dont understand but its fine by me."

DORION: "Hol' up"

...


CHIARELLI: "Deal."

SNOW: "Im confused as sh*t."

CHIARELLI: "WHY DONT WE JUST DO A 1 FOR 1 FOR 1 FOR 1???"

CHIARELLI: "Deal"

SNOW + BENNING: "???"

CHIARELLI: "Draisaitl to the Islanders, Karlsson to the Canucks, Greiss to me, Eriksson to the Sens."

SNOW: "Great. Ill add my 2018 1st."

CHIARELLI: "Naaah, Im good. Lets keep it simple here. Dont want too much work amiright??"


now throw Bergevin in the mix and make it a five way smile
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Ottawa and Vegas win.

Pittsburgh loses.

Simple.
 
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