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(OTT / PIT / VGK) - 3-Way Derick Brassard Trade

23 fév 2018 à 15 h 01
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Modifié 7 déc 2018 à 20 h 38 par Banks
Trade confirmed:
Détails de la transaction
Les Sénateurs d'Ottawa font l’acquisition de:
Sénateurs d'Ottawa
De PIT:
Choix de 1e ronde en 2018 (PIT - #22 - K'Andre Miller)
Choix de 3e ronde en 2019 (PIT - #83 - Anttoni Honka)
Les Penguins de Pittsburgh font l’acquisition de:
Penguins de Pittsburgh
De VGK:
Derick Brassard (2 000 000 $ retenus - 40%)
De OTT:
Choix de 3e ronde en 2018 (OTT - #64 - Justus Annunen)
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23 fév 2018 à 15 h 02
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Quoting: Hockeylover360
Brassard to Pittsburgh for a 1st, goalie Gustavsson and other cap related elements. - Darren Dreger


Ian Cole
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23 fév 2018 à 15 h 04
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You spelt the title wrong lol
23 fév 2018 à 15 h 07
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Good return for Ottawa, the lack of centres on the market must've helped them get a good return.
23 fév 2018 à 15 h 16
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Were waiting on the retained amount before adding the trade to the site. Hopefully will be released soon!
23 fév 2018 à 15 h 17
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Quoting: Jarvis
Were waiting on the retained amount before adding the trade to the site. Hopefully will be released soon!


Theres a retained amount? you sure
23 fév 2018 à 15 h 20
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
Theres a retained amount? you sure


it is believed to be 18% on brassard but now pierre lebrun says there is still more information to follow
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23 fév 2018 à 15 h 29
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"Up to 18%" was what was reported. Waiting for an exact amount. Also sounds like there will be more in the trade.



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23 fév 2018 à 15 h 37
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Win-win trade. @Jarvis I think the 'more details' are actually another Cole trade (the Sens trading him) but i'm not sure ... well, that's what some are saying, i don't see it. Also, retained salary might be the details. Though if there's something else involved, i'd have to wonder if maybe PIT adds a later pick.
23 fév 2018 à 15 h 40
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Its mind blowing that every year PIT improves and I don't feel like they lose in the trades.
23 fév 2018 à 15 h 47
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Hmmm, this is interesting
23 fév 2018 à 17 h 39
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Mark Madden is saying brassards cap retention by two teams could be bringing his cap down to as low as 1.5mill

VGK sounds like t is selling cap space

This is some serious wizardry
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23 fév 2018 à 17 h 40
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Quoting: MTF
Mark Madden is saying brassards cap retention by two teams could be bringing his cap down to as low as 1.5mill

VGK sounds like t is selling cap space

This is some serious wizardry


I doubt it's that high. Ottawa would have to eat 2 million for Vegas to be able to bring it down to 1.5.
23 fév 2018 à 17 h 41
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What is going on? First it looked like Brassard was traded for Gustavsson, Cole, and a 1st, and now something weird is happening ... no idea what's going on.
23 fév 2018 à 17 h 47
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Quoting: rangersandislesfan
What is going on? First it looked like Brassard was traded for Gustavsson, Cole, and a 1st, and now something weird is happening ... no idea what's going on.


Probably still the end result. My guess is Ottawa is taking Gus and the 1st. Vegas ends up with Cole and maybe sends a low pick Ottawa's way. In return, Vegas is eating a little of Brassard's salary first.
23 fév 2018 à 17 h 58
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23 fév 2018 à 18 h 02
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Wow, it looks like Pittsburgh just paid a pound of flesh for Brassard.

What is Vegas going to want to retain salary? One could only imagine a pick and prospect. I cant imagine Vegas offering to retain salary for no reason.. They have to be getting something worth while...

Sounds like a very complicated deal with the salary retention... Certainly not your common 3-way.

To Pittsburgh: Brassard (% retained), 2018 Seventh Round Pick (Vgk)
To Ottawa: Cole, Gustavsson, 2018 First Round PIck (Pit)
To Vegas: Pit prospect, 2018 Second Round Pick (Pit)

So one could imagine this is going to cost Pittsburgh; Cole, Gustavsson, 2018 First Round Pick, 2019 Second Round Pick & prospect.

That's a lot for a rental.
23 fév 2018 à 18 h 09
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Quoting: HawksFan28
Wow, it looks like Pittsburgh just paid a pound of flesh for Brassard.

What is Vegas going to want to retain salary? One could only imagine a pick and prospect. I cant imagine Vegas offering to retain salary for no reason.. They have to be getting something worth while...

Sounds like a very complicated deal with the salary retention... Certainly not your common 3-way.

To Pittsburgh: Brassard (% retained), 2018 Seventh Round Pick (Vgk)
To Ottawa: Cole, Gustavsson, 2018 First Round PIck (Pit)
To Vegas: Pit prospect, 2018 Second Round Pick (Pit)

So one could imagine this is going to cost Pittsburgh; Cole, Gustavsson, 2018 First Round Pick, 2019 Second Round Pick & prospect.

That's a lot for a rental.


He's not a rental
23 fév 2018 à 18 h 10
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Quoting: HawksFan28
Wow, it looks like Pittsburgh just paid a pound of flesh for Brassard.

What is Vegas going to want to retain salary? One could only imagine a pick and prospect. I cant imagine Vegas offering to retain salary for no reason.. They have to be getting something worth while...

Sounds like a very complicated deal with the salary retention... Certainly not your common 3-way.

To Pittsburgh: Brassard (% retained), 2018 Seventh Round Pick (Vgk)
To Ottawa: Cole, Gustavsson, 2018 First Round PIck (Pit)
To Vegas: Pit prospect, 2018 Second Round Pick (Pit)

So one could imagine this is going to cost Pittsburgh; Cole, Gustavsson, 2018 First Round Pick, 2019 Second Round Pick & prospect.

That's a lot for a rental.


Brassard isn't a rental, and where did you find out about the 2nd and the prospect?
23 fév 2018 à 18 h 32
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Quoting: HawksFan28
Wow, it looks like Pittsburgh just paid a pound of flesh for Brassard.

What is Vegas going to want to retain salary? One could only imagine a pick and prospect. I cant imagine Vegas offering to retain salary for no reason.. They have to be getting something worth while...

Sounds like a very complicated deal with the salary retention... Certainly not your common 3-way.

To Pittsburgh: Brassard (% retained), 2018 Seventh Round Pick (Vgk)
To Ottawa: Cole, Gustavsson, 2018 First Round PIck (Pit)
To Vegas: Pit prospect, 2018 Second Round Pick (Pit)

So one could imagine this is going to cost Pittsburgh; Cole, Gustavsson, 2018 First Round Pick, 2019 Second Round Pick & prospect.

That's a lot for a rental.


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23 fév 2018 à 18 h 38
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So I guess the deal is canceled for now. Will probably get done soon though. I don't see how one of the GMs can back out at this point.



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Quoting: Blazingbat11
So I guess the deal is canceled for now. Will probably get done soon though. I don't see how one of the GMs can back out at this point.





LeBrun followed that up with a tweet saying the general sentiment is that the deal will still get done somehow.
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23 fév 2018 à 19 h 07
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Quoting: MTF
Mark Madden is saying brassards cap retention by two teams could be bringing his cap down to as low as 1.5mill

VGK sounds like t is selling cap space

This is some serious wizardry


One of those questions I had without a precedent (that I could find).

Sounds like ...
Ottawa retains some of Brassard's contract and sends him to Vegas.
Vegas retains on Brassard as well, then sends him to Pittsburgh.
Then Pittsburgh sends pieces to both teams to account for the retention, as well as additional pieces to Ottawa for the original value of Brassard.

If that's what they tried to do, and the league stepped in, it seems like that falls under the guidelines of cap circumvention in some capacity.
23 fév 2018 à 19 h 14
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Quoting: ricochetii
One of those questions I had without a precedent (that I could find).

Sounds like ...
Ottawa retains some of Brassard's contract and sends him to Vegas.
Vegas retains on Brassard as well, then sends him to Pittsburgh.
Then Pittsburgh sends pieces to both teams to account for the retention, as well as additional pieces to Ottawa for the original value of Brassard.

If that's what they tried to do, and the league stepped in, it seems like that falls under the guidelines of cap circumvention in some capacity.


It's an interesting situation without precedent.

Let's say Vegas, in theory, sends their 2018 1st round pick to Ottawa for Brassard (50% retained).
Pittsburgh then sends Cole, Gustavsson, and their 2018 1st to Ottawa for Vegas's 2018 1st.
Pittsburgh then sends Vegas's 2018 1st back as well as, say a future 2nd or 3rd round pick, to Vegas for Brassard (50% retained).

It's' clearly a premeditated move to lower a player's cap cost, but I don't see how it breaks any rules that I'm aware of in the CBA...
23 fév 2018 à 19 h 34
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Quoting: mtdavis311
It's an interesting situation without precedent.

Let's say Vegas, in theory, sends their 2018 1st round pick to Ottawa for Brassard (50% retained).
Pittsburgh then sends Cole, Gustavsson, and their 2018 1st to Ottawa for Vegas's 2018 1st.
Pittsburgh then sends Vegas's 2018 1st back as well as, say a future 2nd or 3rd round pick, to Vegas for Brassard (50% retained).

It's' clearly a premeditated move to lower a player's cap cost, but I don't see how it breaks any rules that I'm aware of in the CBA...


Maybe they tried to do it in 2 deals.
 
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