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What Jarmo will actually do

Créé par: Jacketsman61
Équipe: 2017-18 Blue Jackets de Columbus
Date de création initiale: 21 févr. 2018
Publié: 22 févr. 2018
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These are the moves I expect Jarmo to actually make. Jarmo already has Seth Jones and I think he wants Caleb Jones too. Letestu would anchor the 3rd or 4th line center position. Also think Jarmo will deal for some depth on defense considering the injuries in that dept.
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22 févr. 2018 à 0 h 49
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There is no way that Jack Johnson is worth a 1st round pick to anyone, let alone Steve Yzerman. Sorry, Columbus fans, he's just not that good.

But at the same time, Garth Snow, Marc Bergevin and Peter Chiarelli are all due to get fleeced on a trade, so one of them would probably overpay for JJ.

Also, I'm legitimately asking, is Mark Letestu really better than Boone Jenner, or is that more of a change of scenery kind of trade? I don't know enough about either to know the answer.
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22 févr. 2018 à 7 h 8
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There is no way that Jack Johnson is worth a 1st round pick to anyone, let alone Steve Yzerman. Sorry, Columbus fans, he's just not that good.

But at the same time, Garth Snow, Marc Bergevin and Peter Chiarelli are all due to get fleeced on a trade, so one of them would probably overpay for JJ.

Also, I'm legitimately asking, is Mark Letestu really better than Boone Jenner, or is that more of a change of scenery kind of trade? I don't know enough about either to know the answer.


It is believed Jarmo has gotten offers of a first round pick for him.

Jenner is much better than Letestu.
22 févr. 2018 à 10 h 2
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It is believed Jarmo has gotten offers of a first round pick for him.

Jenner is much better than Letestu.


Out of curiosity, do Jackets fans consider the team a legit contender? It seems like they are at a place where they aren't true contenders but have enough pieces to get hot in the playoffs and go the Cup finals. If trading Jenner doesn't make them better, why make that trade? Or does he just not really matter that much to the success of the team?

Which team offered him a 1st and who reported it? Again, I would not be surprised in the least if they traded him to the Isles/Habs/Oilers for a 1st because GS/MB/PC are all bad managers. But no competent GM will make that trade, even in the context of trade deadline panic moves. If Jarmo was really offered that much for JJ, he was a fool not to say yes before the question was finished being asked.
22 févr. 2018 à 11 h 8
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Out of curiosity, do Jackets fans consider the team a legit contender? It seems like they are at a place where they aren't true contenders but have enough pieces to get hot in the playoffs and go the Cup finals. If trading Jenner doesn't make them better, why make that trade? Or does he just not really matter that much to the success of the team?

Which team offered him a 1st and who reported it? Again, I would not be surprised in the least if they traded him to the Isles/Habs/Oilers for a 1st because GS/MB/PC are all bad managers. But no competent GM will make that trade, even in the context of trade deadline panic moves. If Jarmo was really offered that much for JJ, he was a fool not to say yes before the question was finished being asked.


Loaded questions, huh? Lol. As far as the JJ rumors, both Elliott Friedman and Aaron Portzline of “The Athletic” have made mention of this. No specific team, but we can speculate. Jarmo actually wants a forward for him, only reason he hasn’t been traded.

Boone is a good player but the Jackets are loaded on the wings and the Jackets need quality depth up the middle.
22 févr. 2018 à 11 h 10
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Out of curiosity, do Jackets fans consider the team a legit contender? It seems like they are at a place where they aren't true contenders but have enough pieces to get hot in the playoffs and go the Cup finals. If trading Jenner doesn't make them better, why make that trade? Or does he just not really matter that much to the success of the team?

Which team offered him a 1st and who reported it? Again, I would not be surprised in the least if they traded him to the Isles/Habs/Oilers for a 1st because GS/MB/PC are all bad managers. But no competent GM will make that trade, even in the context of trade deadline panic moves. If Jarmo was really offered that much for JJ, he was a fool not to say yes before the question was finished being asked.


Jackets are like so many other bubble teams. A span of 4-5 games now will make or break the playoff picture.
As for the TB #1 pick, it will most likely be very late in the 1st round, so just about the same value as a Phoenix, Edmonton, or Buffalo 2nd round pick.
Value is in the eye of the beholder, and some teams do get desperate to fill role players as the trade deadline approaches, especially if they have targeted one player for a trade but it falls through to another team.
Johnson is not flashy, does not score a lot of goals, and does not play overly physical, but he is solid, still skates very well, is a team player, is very durable, and has a very high compete level when going after the puck in the corners. Most teams would love to have this attribute in the playoffs. For a 1st round pick, we will find out very soon!!!
22 févr. 2018 à 14 h 3
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Jackets are like so many other bubble teams. A span of 4-5 games now will make or break the playoff picture.
As for the TB #1 pick, it will most likely be very late in the 1st round, so just about the same value as a Phoenix, Edmonton, or Buffalo 2nd round pick.
Value is in the eye of the beholder, and some teams do get desperate to fill role players as the trade deadline approaches, especially if they have targeted one player for a trade but it falls through to another team.
Johnson is not flashy, does not score a lot of goals, and does not play overly physical, but he is solid, still skates very well, is a team player, is very durable, and has a very high compete level when going after the puck in the corners. Most teams would love to have this attribute in the playoffs. For a 1st round pick, we will find out very soon!!!


I agree completely that value is almost always dependent on perception and context. Is the 28th overall pick really much different from the 35th overall pick (I know that someone actually did a study of this a few years ago to determine realistic value by draft pick position but I don't remember who posted it)? When it comes down to it, though, in my opinion the higher pick will always have more value. It's an incredibly obvious statement but I think it's fully true. Is 23 much different than 28? I'm sure there are plenty of examples of teams coveting that slightly higher spot and including a 3rd round pick to make the switch. Maybe that extra 1st round pick becomes part of a package to land a much better player. That extra 1st round pick, late though it may be, could be the extra piece needed to acquire max pacioretty. gabriel carlsson, oliver bjorkstrand and a 1st could be enough, but switch the 1st for a 2nd and it's suddenly unreasonable, even though it might only be 5 spots lower (granted, all bets are off with marc bergevin). so I would argue that the name carries a lot of value, fairly or not.

I think the JJ argument always goes to a fancy stats vs eye test argument. all the fancy stats point to him being a 3rd pair defenseman, while the anti-analytics people always argue for his intangibles (grit, leadership, etc). I tend to agree more with the analytics crowd and have never seen JJ make his teammates better over a larger sample size. more power to jarmo if he can get a top 30 pick for him, but it feels like he should fetch a much lower return. as a fan of another metro team, I hope it's for a bag of pucks because I think that columbus already has a lot of really good young players.
 
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