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(CHI / ARI) - Duclair, Clendening for Pánik, Dauphin

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10 jan 2018 à 18 h 52
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10 jan 2018 à 18 h 57
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If the change of scenery is good to Duclair, he can hit around 45 points consistently. Clendening provides some added defensive depth. Win for the Hawks in my books.
10 jan 2018 à 19 h 01
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Didn't they just trade Dauphin to Chicago 6 months ago? Sticking Out Tongue
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10 jan 2018 à 19 h 17
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Quoting: ricochetii
Didn't they just trade Dauphin to Chicago 6 months ago? Sticking Out Tongue


Yep. At the end of the day, this is basically what happened

Arizona Coyotes
Niklas Hjalmarsson
Richard Panik


Chicago Blackhawks
Connor Murphy
Anthony Duclair
Adam Clendening



That looks like a huge win for Arizona, and this particular trade is a win for Chicago. That just goes to show how bad the Hjalmarsson trade was for the Hawks.
10 jan 2018 à 19 h 17
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Duclair is younger and has a higher ceiling than Panik. He could use a fresh start. Hawks win.
10 jan 2018 à 19 h 32
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Hawks win and it's not even close.
10 jan 2018 à 19 h 58
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*Stan Bowman, in a river towards Lottery Ocean"
Stan - "Help! I'm getting swept away!"
*Suddenly, a life preserver appears*
John Chayka - "Of course, here, have mine!"

Duclair isn't a major change. He's probably not much more than a 20-goal, 50-point player in his best years. But that's STILL better than Panik AND he's younger.

I hate when the Coyotes **** up like this, because it makes analytics look stupid. It takes an idiot to accept this deal as the best offer to come.
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10 jan 2018 à 20 h 06
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eh. both teams seemed to have soured on their respective players (I'm not really considering Clendening or Dauphin; ironic, though, that they were traded back to the teams that drafted them). Duclair had, I think, asked for a trade, and I suspect Tocchet didn't think Duclair was a fit in his system. Pánik had been healthy-scratched a few times in December, himself.

and, yeah, Duclair has more potential, but the Coyotes' system has enough of a "talented prospect" buffer. besides, Chayka has to figure out how to pay all those talented young players in his system (Domi, Rieder, Dvorak, Perlini, Chychrun), and, at the end of the day, Pánik gives him cost certainty for '18 - '19. money's a finite resource, and there's only so much of it to go around if he wants to pay his players fairly. besides, if Duclair does do something like go out and win the Rocket Richard (or even if he goes back to being a 20 G. 45 P player), Bowman's gonna have a hell of a time getting out from under the salary ceiling that he's face-planted the Blackhawks up against.
10 jan 2018 à 20 h 13
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Arizona got robbed
10 jan 2018 à 20 h 52
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Its hard on the full on trade combination that you can add. But in this particular one, i think the Hawks win it, Just because they get a 22 year old kid who can be one of the best players in the league with some few changes, and having a new team will help him out a lot more
10 jan 2018 à 21 h 15
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Quoting: krakowitz

That looks like a huge win for Arizona, and this particular trade is a win for Chicago. That just goes to show how bad the Hjalmarsson trade was for the Hawks.


hawks have had quite a few trades that appear lopsided on paper in the last couple of years, but they've in a cap space bind for a couple of years now.
10 jan 2018 à 22 h 04
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hawks have had quite a few trades that appear lopsided on paper in the last couple of years, but they've in a cap space bind for a couple of years now.


It’s a shame that cap space has had to hamper their team. They also had Byfuglien and Leddy once upon a time. If there was no salary cap, this team would've been one of the truly elite dynasties.
10 jan 2018 à 23 h 04
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From Jeremy Morin to Richard Panik to Anthony Duclair. Now that's asset management.
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11 jan 2018 à 8 h 34
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Chayka on Duclair: "There's a lot of things that go into a trade. Some of them are readily apparent. You see Anthony play and his speed and skill is obvious to everyone. There's some thing that I think should stay behind closed doors."

Don't really know what to think about this, but something we don't know is happening
11 jan 2018 à 8 h 46
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Quoting: ProfessorFuzzymuffins
Duclair is younger and has a higher ceiling than Panik. He could use a fresh start. Hawks win.


Agreed. Also Clendening is basically a depth addition for chicago, and I have no clue why Coyotes want Dauphin back.
11 jan 2018 à 9 h 12
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Chayka on Duclair: "There's a lot of things that go into a trade. Some of them are readily apparent. You see Anthony play and his speed and skill is obvious to everyone. There's some thing that I think should stay behind closed doors."

Don't really know what to think about this, but something we don't know is happening


I think that's somewhat obvious too, no??? Duclair wants NHL ice time and Chayka wasn't willing to give that to him. So Duclair probably did have a few choice words...as I would too! He got 44 points as a rookie and then it was immediately bouncing him back and forth between PHX & Tuscon. Poor player management by Chayka. With that said I actually do agree with @DragonRaptorHybrid they do have enough high end talent. They need more guys like Panik. My concern as a Hawks fan going forward is...will Bowman give Duclair a $3M contract next year?!?!?! I don't care if he scores 45 points just in the 2nd half of the season! Enough with the overpayment contracts Bowman!!! Panik was lucky to be in the NHL and you gave him $2.8M! Duclair should be trilled to be out of PHX. Tell him low contracts help keep you in the NHL...play your butt off and we'll see the next time your contract is up.
11 jan 2018 à 10 h 27
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I think that's somewhat obvious too, no??? Duclair wants NHL ice time and Chayka wasn't willing to give that to him. So Duclair probably did have a few choice words...as I would too! He got 44 points as a rookie and then it was immediately bouncing him back and forth between PHX & Tuscon. Poor player management by Chayka. With that said I actually do agree with @DragonRaptorHybrid they do have enough high end talent. They need more guys like Panik. My concern as a Hawks fan going forward is...will Bowman give Duclair a $3M contract next year?!?!?! I don't care if he scores 45 points just in the 2nd half of the season! Enough with the overpayment contracts Bowman!!! Panik was lucky to be in the NHL and you gave him $2.8M! Duclair should be trilled to be out of PHX. Tell him low contracts help keep you in the NHL...play your butt off and we'll see the next time your contract is up.


Chayka hasn't been the one keeping him off the ice. Tocchet is the one that sets the lineup card every night and controls ice time. The reason Duclair was back and forth between Tuscon and Arizona last season was because he was playing terribly. 15 points in 58 games is awful for a guy that scored 20 goals just the season before.
11 jan 2018 à 10 h 32
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Chayka hasn't been the one keeping him off the ice. Tocchet is the one that sets the lineup card every night and controls ice time. The reason Duclair was back and forth between Tuscon and Arizona last season was because he was playing terribly. 15 points in 58 games is awful for a guy that scored 20 goals just the season before.


I simply disagree. Dave Tippett was a problem last year. There was a power struggle between the two and Chayka saw him out the door...now it's on him. At some point he needs to take responsibility both good and bad.
11 jan 2018 à 10 h 45
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Modifié 11 jan 2018 à 11 h 22
Quoting: exo2769
Duclair wants NHL ice time and Chayka wasn't willing to give that to him. So Duclair probably did have a few choice words...as I would too! He got 44 points as a rookie and then it was immediately bouncing him back and forth between PHX & Tuscon. Poor player management by Chayka.


The GM should have no influence in a players ice time. In fact the GM generally doesn't determine call-ups, send downs, or waivers without a lot of influence from the coaching staff. Maybe that is whats happening in Arizona but that seems like poor managing

What Chayka was referring to could have been a handful of things including, not getting along with teammates, disagreeing and arguing with coaching staff, disrespecting upper management, or even being just a downright arrogant and ignorant person. We have no clue and Chayka did the right move by not revealing their issues to the public. One or two bad apples can ruin an entire teams chemistry and cause many issues.
Quoting: krakowitz
Yep. At the end of the day, this is basically what happened
Arizona Coyotes
Niklas Hjalmarsson
Richard Panik
Chicago Blackhawks
Connor Murphy
Anthony Duclair
Adam Clendening

I'd still rather have Hammer. He may be struggling in Arizona but it is after all his first team/system/city/coaching change he has had in his NHL career. Who's to say that he just doesn't fit well with the Yotes. He fit in the Hawks system in every way and is literally their biggest missing piece this season.
11 jan 2018 à 14 h 44
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At this moment Panik is better than Duclair, but Duclair has more potential, especially on a top line.
9 fév 2018 à 17 h 49
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Quoting: ricochetii
Didn't they just trade Dauphin to Chicago 6 months ago? Sticking Out Tongue


Real life has turned into the GM game, lol
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12 fév 2018 à 17 h 55
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Ha, I could totally see Bowman re-signing Hjalmarsson as a UFA in 2019 and I suspect he will.

Only reason why Bowman traded Hammer was because he was forced to.

Truth is that if Bowman wasn't terrorized by the salary cap, the Blackhawks would have won 2 or 3 more cups... Look at all the great players he was forced to trade over the years, it's sad.
12 fév 2018 à 18 h 33
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Quoting: HawksFan28
Ha, I could totally see Bowman re-signing Hjalmarsson as a UFA in 2019 and I suspect he will.

Only reason why Bowman traded Hammer was because he was forced to.

Truth is that if Bowman wasn't terrorized by the salary cap, the Blackhawks would have won 2 or 3 more cups... Look at all the great players he was forced to trade over the years, it's sad.


really not fair everybody has to play by the same rules, isn't it?
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12 fév 2018 à 19 h 03
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Ha, I could totally see Bowman re-signing Hjalmarsson as a UFA in 2019 and I suspect he will.

Only reason why Bowman traded Hammer was because he was forced to.

Truth is that if Bowman wasn't terrorized by the salary cap, the Blackhawks would have won 2 or 3 more cups... Look at all the great players he was forced to trade over the years, it's sad.


Was it really the salary cap? Hjalmarsson's cap hit is only slightly higher than Murphy's, and they could've traded a guy like Panik before hand. After they were swept by the Preds, Bowman did say that changes were coming. Seems like he just changed things up just to change things up. The salary situation was almost identical, and the roster became so much worse on paper.
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13 fév 2018 à 10 h 39
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Quoting: HawksFan28
Ha, I could totally see Bowman re-signing Hjalmarsson as a UFA in 2019 and I suspect he will.

Only reason why Bowman traded Hammer was because he was forced to.

Truth is that if Bowman wasn't terrorized by the salary cap, the Blackhawks would have won 2 or 3 more cups... Look at all the great players he was forced to trade over the years, it's sad.


Oh so you want another Seabrook situation on your hands?
 
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